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Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

gosub100 wrote: post #214
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #148

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In practice, though, this turns into a motte-and-bailey, whether or not that is your intent. When someone today talks about "decolonization", what are the odds that they're talking about Palestine? What are the odds that they're talking about the Belgian Congo? This is especially true if it shows up on Twitter rather than in an obscure journal about the 20th century history of Africa. So (many) people are using "deco…

the odds people are [not] talking about something are subject to influence by censorship and political ideology. I disagree with your characterization of it as a motte-and-bailey fallacy, because the definition is based on conflating easy/not-easy to defend ideas. You haven't shown that one form of colonization is defensible and the other is not. Rather, you (or the side of that argument you are representing) are att…

Israel isn't colonization. You're the one redefining it, trying to make it so.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by ThalesX »

Minor49er wrote: post #219
ThalesX wrote: post #204

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How about providing a top 3 of the better choices out there instead of making a generic comment? I would love to find a better choice.

Ok. What are you interested in?

Politicians, scientists, entrepreneurs, sharing thoughts, and a place for discussion with anons regarding those thoughts. Also memes.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by Izkata »

lolbase wrote: post #179
stainablesteel wrote: post #139

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right wing or oppositional, you decide that covid came out of a chinese lab, or showing that the lockdowns didn't work as was shown by Jay Bhattacharya early on accounts that were censored, shadowbanned, and massively decreased in exposure. just look up the twitter files. since being owned by elon there's also been a rush of psychometricians into twitter, people who want to share and talk about their scientific data,…

Thank you for answering. I'll agree he changed the (flawed) covid misinformation policy; though there were absolutely people discussing Chinese lab leak theories or the effectiveness of lockdown without getting banned. I don't know what you're talking about regarding psychometrician... there were always people talking about how some races are categorically dumber than others and drawing broad conclusions; they receiv…

> You agree she shot blazing hot fiery incendiary devices at immigrants using a flare gun

Not a flare gun, a flare. She held it in her hand, it couldn't even be fired: https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=357&v=yFxAlx6hy2M&feature=yout...

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by Minor49er »

ThalesX wrote: post #222
Minor49er wrote: post #219

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Ok. What are you interested in?

Politicians, scientists, entrepreneurs, sharing thoughts, and a place for discussion with anons regarding those thoughts. Also memes.

I found a lot of sites that cater towards talking about politicians and science. These ones appear to be somewhat active:

  Politics / Politicians
  - https://debatepolitics.com/
  - https://defendingthetruth.com/
  - https://www.houseofpolitics.com/
  - https://politicalhotwire.com/
  - https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/

  Science / Scientists
  - https://www.scienceforums.net/
  - https://thescienceforum.org/
  - https://www.physicsforums.com/
  - https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/
  - https://forum.cosmoquest.org/
Any decent online community will also have its share of memes. They are inevitable

Let me know if any of these hit the mark for you

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Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by nomel »

emodendroket wrote: post #209
nomel wrote: post #74

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I started using X just recently. My feed is entirely related to the people I follow and topics I'm interested in. I had a bit of garbage after I joined, but "show less like this" solved it very quickly. The only "garbage" is ads, but they're topical and annoyingly effective at catching my attention. The people I follow have a very high signal to noise ratio, so maybe that helps. What do you see?

Everything from incessant discussion of tempests in a teacup to spam, generic financial influencer garbage, political content I find distasteful... hard to sort the wheat from the chaff and they've only become more aggressive about showing you people you don't follow.

That's definitely not my experience, and I wonder if it's because I joined late, after some alg change. The only semi "aggressive" things were posts about war. I clicked "not interested" a few times and haven't seen any since. I actually have zero political content on my feed, beyond AI law stuffs going on in the EU, which I'm interested in. I usually end up following the people I see in my feed, that I'm not following. For the others, I just click "not interested".

It's easily been the most on-point social media experience I've had.

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by valar_m »

systemstops wrote: post #217
valar_m wrote: post #200

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I'm going to operate under the assumption that you're replying in good faith and truly don't recognize the racist and anti-Semitic dog whistles all throughout the article. I'll highlight some of them for you. Btw, if you aren't familiar with dog whistles, read this first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics) Here is an anti-Semitic dog whistle that promotes the conspiracy theory that Jews control the…

You are reading way too much into what I was saying. I honestly couldn't say if the people I worked with were Jewish or not - it's not something that crossed my mind. Growing up in Southern California, the only difference I noticed between myself and Jewish friends was that they celebrated Hanukkah instead of Christmas. I honesty didn't even know there was such as thing as Jewish ethnicity until I was in my 30s - I j…

This is a textbook example of the typical response when someone gets their dog whistles called out. Plausible deniability is a key characteristic of dog whistles[0]. The first sentence is as predictable as the sun coming up tomorrow:

>You are reading way too much into what I was saying.

Note also that he ignores every single point that I made in the post he is responding to. Not a single one is addressed. You see, he is nervous because he has been caught, and he is hoping to distance himself from the anti-Semitic venom he was previously so eager to spew.

My friend, since you did indeed ignore every point I made, why don't you take a shot at addressing some of them now?

Also, you never responded to my questions about the comment you made referencing some group of mysterious, powerful people that you seem to think are working in the shadows to attack Musk:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38440280

Btw, feel free to skip the part of your essay where you argue that AI is going to cause white people to lose their jobs to non-whites because it will soon allow them to perform jobs they were previously intellectually incapable of performing. I think we all get the gist, no need to go into it further:

>The cognitively gifted have suddenly found their opportunities more limited if they are White or Asian

>What will the world look like when all the unwashed masses each have their own 130+ IQ assistant in their pocket to help them with daily tasks?

(He really did say that: https://systemstops.substack.com/p/the-smart-apocalypse)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by systemstops »

valar_m wrote: post #227
systemstops wrote: post #217

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You are reading way too much into what I was saying. I honestly couldn't say if the people I worked with were Jewish or not - it's not something that crossed my mind. Growing up in Southern California, the only difference I noticed between myself and Jewish friends was that they celebrated Hanukkah instead of Christmas. I honesty didn't even know there was such as thing as Jewish ethnicity until I was in my 30s - I j…

This is a textbook example of the typical response when someone gets their dog whistles called out. Plausible deniability is a key characteristic of dog whistles[0]. The first sentence is as predictable as the sun coming up tomorrow: > You are reading way too much into what I was saying. Note also that he ignores every single point that I made in the post he is responding to. Not a single one is addressed. You see, h…

That essay had nothing at all do with Jewish people, so I don't want to respond to each of the points. Instead, I will just give you an honest appraisal of my views to answer your questions. Regarding Musk, I was referring to the ADL, Media Matters, political parties and other orgs that have been angry at his lifting of speech restrictions. And yes, some Jewish orgs have been major players in pushing for internet censorship (out in the open - not in the shadows). I don't see any problem with criticizing any politically organized group of people that is pushing their agenda on me. Why are Jewish groups immune from criticism? Imagine a Mormon civil rights org that worked directly with social media companies to censor content, and that many Mormon people were heavily involved in pro-Mormon political orgs (such as supporting a Mormon ethno-state in the Middle East). Now, imagine that any time someone criticized "the Mormons" that someone would accuse them of spreading anti-Mormon conspiracy theories. Pretending that Jews aren't one of the most politically active groups is just silly, which I hope you will agree.

Now a question for you: How does one critique this Jewish political activism phenomenon without being anti-Semitic? How would you do it?

Regarding my essay, my intent was to call out the hypocrisy of people that believe in equality, but only justify their belief based on very dubious scientific claims that all human population groups - after 50,000 years of separation, genetic bottlenecks, selection pressure and interbreeding with other sub-species such as Neanderthals and Denisovans - all have the exactly same brain characteristics. I was trying to say that high IQ people have been taking advantage of their "unearned" privilege in our modern society while denying that such privilege exists, and that this might be coming to an end with AI - and that my own personal experience proved to me that intelligence does not determine the value of a person. Therefore, to me, differences in average IQ between groups is completely irrelevant to their value as human beings, and that associating the value of people with their intelligence is morally wrong.

There has been a discourse on Twitter the last few days about whether or not Ashkenazi Jews have a much higher IQ than the white average. This posited as an explanation of the over-representation of Jews in things such as Fields medals, Nobel prizes, etc. What are your thoughts? [0] https://twitter.com/nathancofnas/status/1729562933238059235

Re: X Has Become a 'Global Sewer,' Mayor of Paris Says

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Post by lolbase »

Izkata wrote: post #223
lolbase wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for answering. I'll agree he changed the (flawed) covid misinformation policy; though there were absolutely people discussing Chinese lab leak theories or the effectiveness of lockdown without getting banned. I don't know what you're talking about regarding psychometrician... there were always people talking about how some races are categorically dumber than others and drawing broad conclusions; they receiv…

> You agree she shot blazing hot fiery incendiary devices at immigrants using a flare gun Not a flare gun, a flare. She held it in her hand, it couldn't even be fired: https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=357&v=yFxAlx6hy2M&feature=yout...

Your pedantry misses the point.

Even if all she did was sing happy birthday to the immigrants and then welcome them to Greece, Stainablesteel is still advocating for speech he doesn't like to be restrained.

In hindsight, I should've realized that his post was unreliable and untrustworthy. I should not have used a proven liar as a source, and I won't do so again.

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Post by mdhb »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #215
jrflowers wrote: post #88

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https://www.techdirt.com/2023/11/27/elons-censorial-lawsuit-...

Quite the stretch there bud, from a very biased Techdirt none-the-less.

You could make an actual argument with real points that people could consider and evaluate rather than pretending like everyone else is an idiot and you have some grand truth that is simultaneously so obvious that you don’t need to state it and is somehow something that nobody else has a clue what you’re talking about.
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