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Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by simbolit »

IIRC from about 2005-2010 there were intense experiments as to using torrents for video streaming. But, again iirc, the results were that there was too much competition for the earlier blocks. This was because unlike conventional file sharing, streaming is linear and people abandon videos halfway. Ultimately the savings over conventional hosted streaming were small. And so Blizzard and Nine Inch Nails used it, but the video players didn't.

Do I misremember something, or has something substantially changed since then?

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by neltnerb »

surajrmal wrote: post #130
Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

What is the incentive to self host when embedding YouTube videos is free and easy? Peer tube might make it easy but it adds a lot of maintenance complexity and server costs. Is the avoiding risk associated with YouTube over the video control worth that cost? For some maybe, but most I imagine not.

I mean, I personally deleted every video I put on YouTube once they wanted to start putting ads into my media to monetize them when I put them up for people to see for free.

Embedding youtube videos means tracking javascript for users, potentially ads for other companies showing up (if not now, later), it just doesn't seem sustainable.

Peertube seems not so good because of the overhead of federating, but the upside of course is anyone on other services like Mastodon can just add comments... no need for yet another 3rd party vendor with their own tracking javascript to handle comment threads... and people can trivially share your video on other federated services.

But it does have a lot of overhead if it's federating a lot.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by dvngnt_ »

proactivesvcs wrote: post #128
Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

Relatedly, Mastodon is a) too hard for me to sign up for and b) a failed experiment. That the former was being repeated by people here still makes me chuckle.

https://mastodon.social/auth/sign_up

here you go

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by austin-cheney »

jpc0 wrote: post #124
johnchristopher wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The user story is "I want to find and watch interesting videos" and they nail it. You miss another user story: IT department wants to self host a video distribution platform on their intranet and users need to embed video in intranet CMS (blogs, wikis, kb, etc.) and they will watch those videos at home, at the office and in between places. Thinking audie…

> You miss another user story: IT department wants to self host a video distribution platform on their intranet and users need to embed video in intranet CMS (blogs, wikis, kb, etc.) and they will watch those videos at home, at the office and in between places. It's not missed, that story doesn't exist. In any place where IT can even think about self hosting video they likely control the user's entire tech stack and…

I get so tired of hearing about tech stacks. Tech stack discussions are 90% developers spinning their wheels and 10% money. Its really closer to 80/20, but most developers cannot get out of their own heads enough to reach a 20% discussion about money and business expenses.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by errhead »

sschueller wrote: post #91
errhead wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sad to hear, but totally understandable. I'm sure the official app will need lots of contributors when it comes out next year.

Is there an official app in the works? I wasn't aware. Do you have a link?

https://fediversereport.com/framasofts-yearly-report/

>Framasoft also announced that next year they will bet big on PeerTube, working on features such as better moderation tools, working on promoting the ecosystem more, and an official PeerTube mobile app.

And on another front of the mobile battle, podcasting 2.0 apps are increasingly supporting PeerTube video via the RSS feed.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by cchance »

Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

The story on peertubes site isn't directed at the "i want to find and watch interesting video" crowd, it's for the "i want to run a site where people can watch videos, but i hate big monopolies" crowd

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by cchance »

Qwertious wrote: post #19
MiguelX413 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? I like, prefer, and use the fediverse in its current state personally.

>Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? The fact that it's a video-watching site and that means it needs people to upload videos onto it.

You realize this can be run by individuals and groups with their own videos that aren't actually looking for third party uploads.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by cchance »

The_Colonel wrote: post #83
MiguelX413 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? I like, prefer, and use the fediverse in its current state personally.

It's frustrating how people only take the capitalist / startup founder point of view when evaluating open source. It's like people can't grasp the idea that somebody could be pursuing a project without having the greatest possible user base / profit as their primary goal.

Hackernews really does seem to be heavily capitalist, and anti-opensource when it comes to the comments section at least.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by cchance »

Gareth321 wrote: post #129
greentea23 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube could disappear or, more realistically, become heavily censored (internally or externally) at any time for a variety of reasons. The true value of this project and other federated or fully distributed and open source alternatives is to have a freedom friendly alternative should the need present itself.

Most end users don’t care about the “what if?” They care about the right now. What does this offer today? Maybe I’m being unfair and this isn’t targeted at end users but professionals. Is that the case? Then the landing page makes a lot more sense.

This app is pointed at the people who do care, and not to end users, end users aren't running servers or video platforms.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by agumonkey »

Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

It's a short analysis, youtube is centralized and acts as a hub, it's amazing to feel you have access to everything but it quickly devolves into mediocre content.

There's good content on peertube, surely not as much, but this era is overcooked with too much content, it's nice to have less.

My main issue is how to get a large view of what is available because you end up on isolated islands and you're never sure what is there.

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