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Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by vintermann »

mnd999 wrote: post #6
Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

Last time I looked at peertube it had worse problems than that. The content was mostly neo-nazis and conspiracy theories, incels and other stuff that wasn’t on YouTube because it would get banned. I’m not interested in that. Has it got any better?

All that stuff and worse is on Youtube too, and probably in higher quantity. It doesn't get banned - not reliably. The algorithm is just good at hiding it from you.

Youtube is really good at surfacing videos you want to see. Peertube isn't. That's why you see stuff you hate, not because of censorship or the lack of it.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by bilekas »

pzmarzly wrote: post #14
Aachen wrote: post #7

Peertube is something I've been meaning to use, so I'm interested but don't know much about it. The post says they dropped webtorrent in favor of HLS. Does this mean Peertube is no longer peer-to-peer? HLS is a codec or container format or something, whereas webtorrent sounds like a method to have peers stream video data to each other such that the server doesn't easily bog down under traffic spikes. That seemed like…

This is very confusing to me too. WebTorrents are just torrents over WebRTC Data stream, I guess by "P2P HLS" they mean sending HLS over either WebRTC Data or Video stream?

Their source code is on Github, though took a min to find.

I'm still going through it, but I suspect so far they are transcoding via HLS and then streaming it out over the p2p connection.

The p2p connetion itself is interesting again, I suspect a regular websocket that is sitting on their express server.. but will dig some more. Was always curious .

https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/blob/develop/client/s...

Re: PeerTube v6

#43

Post by johnchristopher »

Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

> YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The user story is "I want to find and watch interesting videos" and they nail it.

You miss another user story: IT department wants to self host a video distribution platform on their intranet and users need to embed video in intranet CMS (blogs, wikis, kb, etc.) and they will watch those videos at home, at the office and in between places.

Thinking audience and monetization, is basically thinking "youtube clone", and that narrows outlooks on what peertube brings to the table.

> The user story for this, judging by their homepage (https://joinpeertube.org), seems to be "I want a boring lecture on how bad Big Tech is"?

Just pick a different paragraph then:

    What is PeerTube?
    PeerTube allows you to create your own video platform, in complete independence.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by booteille »

Avamander wrote: post #24

Removal of WebTorrent is sad, as it's still WIP in actual torrent clients (but those do move slow anyways, it's not WebTorrent's fault). So it was removed before it got a chance in an ecosystem that moves slow. It also takes PeerTube instances further away from being able to P2P without too many extra steps other than a shared infohash (and DHT). Video re-upload conflicts with such immutable solutions, but that's mor…

Hi!

Concerning WebTorrent, this techno was not used as a default since a long time. It's bound to how it was hard to implement Live Streaming with it (available since v3).

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by Klonoar »

vintermann wrote: post #38
Klonoar wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not "advocating for voluntary censorship", they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.

By censoring?

You are the second person to imply that OP was saying we need censoring, when the comment could be read very differently.

We can do better than jumping to that conclusion. ;P

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by Klonoar »

autoexec wrote: post #31
Klonoar wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not "advocating for voluntary censorship", they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.

> they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet. I don't think that's quite right. It just needs to make sure there's plenty available in addition to the dredges of the internet. Sometimes the dredges are useful to be able to sift through, but that can't be the only thing on offer and ideally users would be able to filter that stuff out w…

I would agree with this take in general, yes. We are more or less saying the same thing though I appreciate the nuance injection. :)

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by georgyo »

Klonoar wrote: post #39
Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

> but which platforms employ the power of the torrent protocol to distribute bandwidth so you can run with minimal costs? If TFA is to be believed, not PeerTube. ;P > We needed to settle a technical debt : v6 removes support for WebTorrent to focus on HLS. Both are technical bricks used to get peer-to-peer streaming in web browsers, but HLS is more fitted to what we are doing (and plan to do) with PeerTube

I did some testing of peertube a little over a year ago, and in practice you never used the webtorrent stuff anyway.

The webtorrent always had a static http seed which is how videos played fast, but that web seed was usually more than capable of serving all the traffic. More so, it _must_ be capable of doing so because not all your clients will be able to support webtorrent effectively.

In order to use a webtorrent, you needed someone else to be watching the same exact video as you at the same time, talk to the tracker, create a p2p connection, negotiate chunks and hope the other side has those chunks.

This just never happened. Even when I tried to force ideal scenarios it was just too slow to be usable.

I did some similar experiments with IPFS and results where much better but got worse every time I revisited the tests in the months after. Then protocol-labs completely scrapped all the libraries I was using and it doesn't work at all.

At the point I'm pretty uncertain if a p2p web browser video app can exist and be usable enough to have people actually want to use it.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by infecto »

Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

I think because many of us are not big fans of fediverse. For all of those examples you provided I would rather just pay for an existing service rather than burn time running PeerTube. The fediverse projects are interesting and glad people enjoy them but they are still not made for the masses (which I suppose is to the liking of those that enjoy the fediverse.
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