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Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by autoexec »

Klonoar wrote: post #27
lynx23 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wah, there is no Incel content on YouTube? What about Pearl Davis, or the flood of shorts extracted from this podcast I just cant remember right now? Personally, I much prefer a uncensored platform over arbitrary censorship by big tech. Without censorship, I can at least decide for myself if I want to watch it. In fact, I find it quite concerning that people like you seem to actively advocate for voluntary censorship…

They're not "advocating for voluntary censorship", they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.

> they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.

I don't think that's quite right. It just needs to make sure there's plenty available in addition to the dredges of the internet. Sometimes the dredges are useful to be able to sift through, but that can't be the only thing on offer and ideally users would be able to filter that stuff out when it isn't wanted.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by [deleted] »

phh wrote: post #26
MiguelX413 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? I like, prefer, and use the fediverse in its current state personally.

On one side, I want to say "well, I would like them to kill YouTube, and have all our videos through federation" Oh the other side, I miss the era of low volume content of passionate people. I didn't live such an era for the internet, but I did for smartphones. Back in 2009, you didn't need "have 25 people test your app" requirements, because people pushing apps cared about their apps. You didn't need to go through a…

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Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by jelv »

hutzlibu wrote: post #18
pzmarzly wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very confusing to me too. WebTorrents are just torrents over WebRTC Data stream, I guess by "P2P HLS" they mean sending HLS over either WebRTC Data or Video stream?

But if you stream from the server, it still would still not be p2p. SO either they implemented their own custom p2p solution, where the peers stream HLS to other peers, or they abandoned p2p. edit: the main FAQ on the website still clearly says, it is p2p. But now I am curious if they really implemented their own p2p solution, or if this is outdated. https://joinpeertube.org/en_US#what-are-the-main-advantages-...

"WebTorrent is a wonderful library that allowed PeerTube to be created five years ago. But due to many limitations of the library we decided to implement and default to another P2P protocol used in coordination with HLS. This new HLS player works very well, and does not have all the limitations of the WebTorrent player. It also allowed us to implement live streaming in PeerTube."

https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/5465

Re: PeerTube v6

#34

Post by booteille »

Aachen wrote: post #7

Peertube is something I've been meaning to use, so I'm interested but don't know much about it. The post says they dropped webtorrent in favor of HLS. Does this mean Peertube is no longer peer-to-peer? HLS is a codec or container format or something, whereas webtorrent sounds like a method to have peers stream video data to each other such that the server doesn't easily bog down under traffic spikes. That seemed like…

Hi!

There is a page on official documentation (docs.joinpeertube.org) (which needs to be updated to reflect the removal of WebTorrent but is still relevant on hls parts).

Here is the one concerning us:

" - If using the HLS player (depending on the admin transcoding configuration):

    - The player loads the HLS playlist using hls.js from the origin server
    
    - PeerTube provides a custom loader to hls.js that downloads segments from HTTP but also from P2P via WebRTC
    
    - Segments are loaded by HTTP from the origin server + servers that mirrored the video and by WebRTC from other web browsers that are watching the video. They are used by hls.js to stream them into the  HTML element"

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by Almondsetat »

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube.

Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website.

Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same

Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same.

Nowhere it's touted as a rival to youtube in the popularity sense, just like you wouldn't call WordPress a rival to Twitter.

And before the objections come: yes you can self host videos already, but which platforms employ the power of the torrent protocol to distribute bandwidth so you can run with minimal costs?

Re: PeerTube v6

#36

Post by _heimdall »

Klonoar wrote: post #27
lynx23 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wah, there is no Incel content on YouTube? What about Pearl Davis, or the flood of shorts extracted from this podcast I just cant remember right now? Personally, I much prefer a uncensored platform over arbitrary censorship by big tech. Without censorship, I can at least decide for myself if I want to watch it. In fact, I find it quite concerning that people like you seem to actively advocate for voluntary censorship…

They're not "advocating for voluntary censorship", they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.

I've never understood this concern with online platforms. It really shouldn't matter what content people publish if discover ability is user-driven.

A Twitter alternative could be full of neo-nazis, butbif my feed is only populated with people I follow them I would never know or care.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by vintermann »

corobo wrote: post #13
Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

I think Peertube has a bit of a benefit here in that if they can get the SEO right folks don't really need to use the federation guff to find videos, they should just be able to find them via a regular old search engine I'm not sure I agree on the content being hidden in a dark corner, there's a fair few examples of instances and content on the homepage. It'd be nice if the "Discover more" button showed more examples…

The regular old search engine controlled by a company that would lose billions if Peertube took off?

No, it's true that YouTube's advantage is the same as Spotify's advantage: Discovery. It has an actually damn good recommendation engine. It fairly regularly shows me videos with less than 10000 views that are spot on. I'd love to use Peertube over Youtube, but I have to actually know of something cool on Peertube first, and finding it by searching is pretty hopeless.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by vintermann »

Klonoar wrote: post #27
lynx23 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wah, there is no Incel content on YouTube? What about Pearl Davis, or the flood of shorts extracted from this podcast I just cant remember right now? Personally, I much prefer a uncensored platform over arbitrary censorship by big tech. Without censorship, I can at least decide for myself if I want to watch it. In fact, I find it quite concerning that people like you seem to actively advocate for voluntary censorship…

They're not "advocating for voluntary censorship", they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.

By censoring?

Re: PeerTube v6

#39

Post by Klonoar »

Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

> but which platforms employ the power of the torrent protocol to distribute bandwidth so you can run with minimal costs?

If TFA is to be believed, not PeerTube. ;P

> We needed to settle a technical debt : v6 removes support for WebTorrent to focus on HLS. Both are technical bricks used to get peer-to-peer streaming in web browsers, but HLS is more fitted to what we are doing (and plan to do) with PeerTube

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