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Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by joelthelion »

glenstein wrote: post #2

Truly inspiring work from Framasoft! I just hope for more adoption. I don't know if anyone remembers the days of Firefox 2 and 3 and the days of "community marketing" but I think something like that could be a worthwhile project here. I would love, for instance, if significant creators could do a Framasoft February each year where they commit to hosting some portion of videos of their choice on Peertube.

Framasoft February sounds like a great idea! I would definitely ask my favorite content providers to participate.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by grumbel »

Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

Yep, efforts to replace Youtube (and the rest of BigTech) should be spend on building better search and cataloging of videos across all the Web instead of focusing all effort on one specific hosting technology that nobody uses. I'd be much more inclined to use a service or software that improves on Youtube by including other sources of videos, then one that tries to replace Youtube with their own set of (drastically inferior) videos.

Miro[1] tried that a long while ago, but I haven't really seen much else going that direction since then.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miro_(video_software)

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by lynx23 »

mnd999 wrote: post #6
Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

Last time I looked at peertube it had worse problems than that. The content was mostly neo-nazis and conspiracy theories, incels and other stuff that wasn’t on YouTube because it would get banned. I’m not interested in that. Has it got any better?

Wah, there is no Incel content on YouTube? What about Pearl Davis, or the flood of shorts extracted from this podcast I just cant remember right now?

Personally, I much prefer a uncensored platform over arbitrary censorship by big tech. Without censorship, I can at least decide for myself if I want to watch it.

In fact, I find it quite concerning that people like you seem to actively advocate for voluntary censorship.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by Avamander »

Removal of WebTorrent is sad, as it's still WIP in actual torrent clients (but those do move slow anyways, it's not WebTorrent's fault). So it was removed before it got a chance in an ecosystem that moves slow.

It also takes PeerTube instances further away from being able to P2P without too many extra steps other than a shared infohash (and DHT). Video re-upload conflicts with such immutable solutions, but that's more of a positive. (Did you know the Crazy Frog uploaded years ago was VERY recently silently replaced with a different cut? https://youtu.be/k85mRPqvMbE?t=75 vs. https://hobune.stream/videos/k85mRPqvMbE) Reuploads should be reuploads, old versions should be separate.

As a third order effect, it also makes it even more impossible to generate and find interoperable YouTube archives based on the same source. Archival and mirroring efforts all disjoint and duplicated.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by miyuru »

j_maffe wrote: post #11
Aachen wrote: post #7

Peertube is something I've been meaning to use, so I'm interested but don't know much about it. The post says they dropped webtorrent in favor of HLS. Does this mean Peertube is no longer peer-to-peer? HLS is a codec or container format or something, whereas webtorrent sounds like a method to have peers stream video data to each other such that the server doesn't easily bog down under traffic spikes. That seemed like…

> We needed to settle a technical debt : v6 removes support for WebTorrent to focus on HLS. Both are technical bricks used to get peer-to-peer streaming in web browsers , but HLS is more fitted to what we are doing (and plan to do) with PeerTube

My read is there are trying to do a distributed CDN with peered(federated) instances. They already did that on past, the instances will stream from other peertube servers that had the same content.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by phh »

MiguelX413 wrote: post #16
Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? I like, prefer, and use the fediverse in its current state personally.

On one side, I want to say "well, I would like them to kill YouTube, and have all our videos through federation"

Oh the other side, I miss the era of low volume content of passionate people. I didn't live such an era for the internet, but I did for smartphones. Back in 2009, you didn't need "have 25 people test your app" requirements, because people pushing apps cared about their apps. You didn't need to go through a dozen of apps before finding one with a usable amount of ads. Heck, runtime permissions weren't required because developers were reasonable in their usage of permissions

I'm not much a fan of videos, so I don't really know whether the same happened with youtube. But the way I consume the few youtube videos I watch is just to "follow" people [1], there is way too much meaningless content in youtube to even glimpse at what there is, and those algorithms really don't favor high-quality content, just baiting ones. So I feel the fediverse wouldn't have to grow much for me to replace YouTube.

[1] I also look at tournesol.app recommendations, but they are /waay/ too oriented towards their very own microcosm, and even though I'd like to contribute it takes quite a lot of time. That being said, I recommend taking a look at tournesol.app because there is real democracy research behind it

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by Klonoar »

lynx23 wrote: post #23
mnd999 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I looked at peertube it had worse problems than that. The content was mostly neo-nazis and conspiracy theories, incels and other stuff that wasn’t on YouTube because it would get banned. I’m not interested in that. Has it got any better?

Wah, there is no Incel content on YouTube? What about Pearl Davis, or the flood of shorts extracted from this podcast I just cant remember right now? Personally, I much prefer a uncensored platform over arbitrary censorship by big tech. Without censorship, I can at least decide for myself if I want to watch it. In fact, I find it quite concerning that people like you seem to actively advocate for voluntary censorship…

They're not "advocating for voluntary censorship", they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by mikae1 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

Also, switching costs are high when big tech has the first mover advantage. The Digital Markets Act might stir things up. Meta being designated as gatekeepers are the only reason they're considering connecting Threads to the fediverse.

Imagine if YouTube was a PeerTube compatible instance in the fediverse that displayed videos from other PeerTube instances. We wouldn't have to "switch platforms".

The interoperability that Doctorow preaches needs to be implemented by law. Or else the status quo will remain.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by alex_duf »

Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

I think it's possible to use peertube to create a service that does what you describe.

Maybe the way forward is peertube provides the technology, and someone else focuses on how best to use that technology to fulfil that user story.

Any volunteer?

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