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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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wendyshu wrote: post #322
favorited wrote: post #259

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Why should workers care about such an inefficiency? Without worker solidarity, increased efficiency only enables their bosses to extract more value from their surplus labor.

We all, to some extent, do selfish things that on average make everyone worse off. You might call it greed. I'm just surprised to see people publicly approving of it.

But why is this so-called "greed" less acceptable than the "greed" of owners/investors, who want everything be as efficient as possible for their own benefit? Strong organized labor is how we accomplish "inefficiencies" like paid leave, regular breaks, safety standards, etc.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by ornornor »

jesperlang wrote: post #20
fwsgonzo wrote: post #7

The Swedish Transport Agency says they are only able to ship license plates using PostNord according to regulation, so I'm not sure how exactly Tesla thought they were going to win this lawsuit.

Tesla is trying any means necessary since they know that Swedish labour laws are strong: if they do not have a union agreement, workers are allowed to strike (indefinitely). This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla so I at this point I think it is an ideological/personal battle..

Good, I’m rooting for the people. Tesla (and others) are blatantly ignoring human decency and social contracts in the pursuit of their founder’s greed. This must stop. I’m glad Sweden has strong enough labour unions to battle this at scale and head on, unlike most other countries where it’s too easy for corporations to exploit workers with little to be repercussions other than the occasional drop in the bucket settlement and massive profits.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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xkbarkar wrote: post #155

Lawsuit is about the state telling postnord a mail delivery company, to not deliver licence plates in some weitd sympathy action. Tesla won the suit and the licence plates have to be delivered. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Mo0V85/tesla-far-ut-sin...

Tesla has NOT won the suit. They got a preliminary injunction and the actual suit hasn't started

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mytailorisrich wrote: post #159
uxp8u61q wrote: post #156

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Are you telling me that refusing to distribute mail is legal in Sweden? In most, if not all EU countries that would not be on several levels as per my previous comment. So please at least try to write something substantive... Edit: In fact it looks like this is indeed a breach of at least EU law: " The universal service obligation (USO) is the core of the Postal Services Directive (97/67/EC, amended by Directives 200…

Do you really believe that a couple of sentences summarize accurately and completely three different EU directives? Have you checked them all to be sure that industrial action isn't covered by an exception? I doubt it.

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Post by cinntaile »

sbuttgereit wrote: post #232
cinntaile wrote: post #200

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What is undemocratic about a law in a democratic country? They can pick up their plates themselves for now, the lawsuit will decide what the law says.

So gerrymandered districting exists as law in a democratic country, yet would you call that democratic?

I'm not following, no voting districts are being changed here? This lawsuit is about license plates that have a contractually decided upon producer and distributor.

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Post by hatsix »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #327
bjornasm wrote: post #213

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It doesn't make sense? How so? They are supporting the strike by boycotting Tesla.

Stealing or withholding property is not a legitimate form of striking. If you don't want to deliver something, fine, but you can't stop someone from picking it up themselves

Welcome to Sweden, where unions and corporations determine the rules, and the government tries to stay out of it.

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Post by ryzvonusef »

From what I understand, actual tesla employees/contractors in Sweden are not interested in forming a union (they like the American shares model, I suppose), it's all the other unions forcing Tesla to have its employees form one, because how the minimum wage/collective bargaining system works in the nordics.

I understand that the other unions see this as the thin end of the wedge, if they allow Tesla to not form one, then others might follow and the scandanavian socio-capitalist system might fall. But I don't if we should blame Swedish Tesla employees wanting to profit from stonks.

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Post by fastasucan »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #327
bjornasm wrote: post #213

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It doesn't make sense? How so? They are supporting the strike by boycotting Tesla.

Stealing or withholding property is not a legitimate form of striking. If you don't want to deliver something, fine, but you can't stop someone from picking it up themselves

They are not stealing or withholding the property - they are refusing to deliver it. They are not stopping someone from picking it up, postnord is. It would be weird for any carrier to allow outsiders to enter their premises.

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Post by fastasucan »

pandaman wrote: post #323
bjornasm wrote: post #215

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Only the 5th largest country, ans by doing so they might shut down their 4th largest country, Norway, as well.

5th largest country by what measure? It's definitely not even in the top 50 by population nor by the territory.

5th largest country by revenue. By the "population" or "territory" logic, Russia, India and China should be the most important markets for Tesla (they are not).

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by s1artibartfast »

fastasucan wrote: post #338
s1artibartfast wrote: post #327

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Stealing or withholding property is not a legitimate form of striking. If you don't want to deliver something, fine, but you can't stop someone from picking it up themselves

They are not stealing or withholding the property - they are refusing to deliver it. They are not stopping someone from picking it up, postnord is. It would be weird for any carrier to allow outsiders to enter their premises.

There are two defendants: postnord and the state agency.

Postnord should not refuse to let Tesla collect the plates that Postnord has. That would be theft

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