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> Labor monopolies are inefficient, it's extremely basic economics. You mean unlike capital 'monopolies', i.e. corporations? Why?
Tesla isn't a monopoly seller, or a monopsony labor buyer.
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Why should workers care about such an inefficiency? Without worker solidarity, increased efficiency only enables their bosses to extract more value from their surplus labor.
We all, to some extent, do selfish things that on average make everyone worse off. You might call it greed. I'm just surprised to see people publicly approving of it.
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If I were Musk, I'd just shut down the whole operation in Sweden. It is not like the country is particularily big.
Only the 5th largest country, ans by doing so they might shut down their 4th largest country, Norway, as well.
5th largest country by what measure? It's definitely not even in the top 50 by population nor by the territory.
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The point is that the law explicitly permits the postal union to do this. Tesla's suit is probably going nowhere.
But there are obviously also other laws in Sweden. For (an obvious) example, the police union can’t decline to investigate crimes against Tesla owners.
Are you sure?
Can you point to a concrete law stating this?
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> This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla i would assume the nordic markets are tiny compared to the RoW. does anyone here have any data on revenue from those markets for tesla?
Costly in terms of eventually being forced to choose between allowing unionization and leaving the nordic market entirely. It's something that just about every other big anti-union American company have had to deal with and it's in the past always led to the American company basically surrendering and allowed unionization usually without any major loss of profit/revenue, apart from the money wasted fighting the stron…
> leaving the nordic market entirely
This is an entirely Swedish conflict. Neighboring countries have their own systems.
Last I heard, Tesla is the biggest auto brand in Norway!
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Norway and Sweden are both top 5 countries in sold Teslas.
less than 10% of US sales
Which is a number that makes it worse... it means they're only popular in at most 4 countries, and have stiff competition (or in general unappealing to buyers) everywhere else.
If they were selling like hotcakes more equally around the world, a place with only 10% of US sales would not be in their top 5.
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That doesn't make sense. It says they're refusing to allow Tesla to pick up the license plates as well. And in any case, is a picket line a legally protected entity now?
It doesn't make sense? How so? They are supporting the strike by boycotting Tesla.
Stealing or withholding property is not a legitimate form of striking. If you don't want to deliver something, fine, but you can't stop someone from picking it up themselves
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The two situations have an obvious difference. It's hard for McDonalds to sell Big Macs in a country without McDonalds restaurants in it. It's not hard for a car company to move production to a different country; that happens all the time. So pulling out entirely is a much more realistic option for a car company than a restaurant, and as a result the car company has more leverage and both sides know it. And they can…
Tesla doesn't make anything in Sweden. Their workforce is mostly mechanics working at car service centers. What the unions can do is make it very hard for Tesla to operate in Sweden. They cannot hire other companies to perform something for them, no electricians to repair charging stations, no cleaning services, cannot source any parts for cars there, etc. They can of course hire people directly to do these things an…
> Their workforce is mostly mechanics working at car service centers.
So why don't they stop having those and let independent shops do it? Repairs used to be a major profit center for traditional dealerships but electric cars are supposed to cut that way back, right?
> They cannot hire other companies to perform something for them, no electricians to repair charging stations, no cleaning services, cannot source any parts for cars there, etc.
Why does this bear such a strong resemblance to organized crime?
Can you imagine if corporations could do this? You get into a disagreement with Microsoft and can't do business with any company that uses Windows anymore?
I kind of hope they find a way around it just to fight back against the unreasonableness of it.
> Or they could just sign the agreement that sets basic minimum requirements which supposedly they already exceed.
"If once you have paid him the Dane-geld, you never get rid of the Dane."
It's obvious that the reason both sides care about this is the precedent it sets rather than any specific details of what they're negotiating over today.
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> without it, they have little protection against the whims of Elon What stops them from quitting at any time, or not working for him to begin with?
Nothing. Just like nothing stops the ones that do want a collection agreement as they work for Tesla and have join the union. There's no requirement for a majority wanting it or not.
It's not a question of any majority. If you don't want to work for Elon then... just don't. There are many other employers. He can't force you to work for $2/hour regardless of whether or not there is any collective bargaining agreement when you could get more than that across the street.