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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by thaumasiotes »

user_named wrote: post #299
thaumasiotes wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PostNord is a private business owned by Sweden and Denmark. That would be a public business?

It's not publicly listed. It's private.

That is not the sense of the word "private" used by jltsiren:

>>> its employees have the same right to strike as any other private sector employees.

A business owned by the state is part of the public sector, not the private sector. This isn't a question of whether shares of its stock are traded on a public exchange. Companies with publicly-listed stock are still private companies in this sense.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

tuukkah wrote: post #290
stcredzero wrote: post #286

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They're so effective lots of places ban them which like... take that for what it's worth. In this case, they are violating consensuality. The Tesla workers don't want the collective agreement. The sympathy strikers are outsiders to the Tesla employee pool who are imposing the collective agreement on them. Given this incident, I can understand why these are banned. It seems to have more to do with a political power pl…

At least some Tesla workers do want the collective agreement (without it, they have little protection against the whims of Elon).

> without it, they have little protection against the whims of Elon

What stops them from quitting at any time, or not working for him to begin with?

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by user_named »

bjornsing wrote: post #190
ceejayoz wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that the law explicitly permits the postal union to do this. Tesla's suit is probably going nowhere.

But there are obviously also other laws in Sweden. For (an obvious) example, the police union can’t decline to investigate crimes against Tesla owners.

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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by paulddraper »

fwsgonzo wrote: post #7

The Swedish Transport Agency says they are only able to ship license plates using PostNord according to regulation, so I'm not sure how exactly Tesla thought they were going to win this lawsuit.

They've already won an injunction.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by [deleted] »

susano wrote: post #174

Not overly knowledgeable on Swedish law, but the idea that a public sector union can decide to block public services (in this case postal delivery of license plates) for a single company as a sympathy strike seems pretty nuts to me. Pretty sure Sweden would lose in European court at least (of course it would probably take a long time to percolate there).

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defrost wrote: post #14

From the article linked: "This confiscation of license plates constitutes a discriminatory attack without any support in law directed at Tesla," the American electric car giant wrote in documents submitted to the Norrköping district court on Monday seen by the Dagens industri newspaper. From the European Public Service Union The right to strike in [..] Sweden : Blockades and boycotts are widely used by trade unions i…

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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by hutzlibu »

scottyah wrote: post #242
lock-the-spock wrote: post #204

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I'm sorry but your claim does not make sense at all given the meaning of the words you are using

I'm listening, what do you mean by that?

Many different, independent groups voluntarily decided to support other workers in their fight for fair working conditions against an international megacorp, which is supported by their law. That is to me the literal opposite definition of corruption.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by hutzlibu »

convery wrote: post #238
pcdevils wrote: post #157

Good. Let them make a fool of themselves in court. Tesla wont be happy till every country treats it's employees like disposable garbage, just like in the US.

Given that they just won a preliminary judgement, they don't seem too foolish..

They won the right to pick up the plates themself, but not what they wanted to force the workers to serve them.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

samcal wrote: post #296
susano wrote: post #174

Not overly knowledgeable on Swedish law, but the idea that a public sector union can decide to block public services (in this case postal delivery of license plates) for a single company as a sympathy strike seems pretty nuts to me. Pretty sure Sweden would lose in European court at least (of course it would probably take a long time to percolate there).

This is just how labor unions roll in the Nordic countries. McDonalds learned this in Denmark [1]. The sooner Tesla realizes they need to negotiate labor contracts through the unions to operate in Sweden, the more money they can make. [1]: https://mattbruenig.com/2021/09/20/when-mcdonalds-came-to-de...

The two situations have an obvious difference. It's hard for McDonalds to sell Big Macs in a country without McDonalds restaurants in it. It's not hard for a car company to move production to a different country; that happens all the time.

So pulling out entirely is a much more realistic option for a car company than a restaurant, and as a result the car company has more leverage and both sides know it. And they can pretty much hold out indefinitely because in the meantime they can just make the cars somewhere else, the same as they would forever if they left.

It's not obvious what the unions have to hold over them when "stop making things in that country" is a completely viable alternative for the company which might have been nothing more than a coin flip even before this.

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