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Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by fenomas »

digging wrote: post #99
fenomas wrote: post #79

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I think the real issue with prettier is that it's almost become a de facto standard. E.g. personally I don't like it at all , but do like Svelte, and Svelte's official (and AFAIK only) formatter uses prettier. Hence I use prettier for Svelte, and ditto for a few other things. So the whole "extremely opinionated, if you want configuration go somewhere else" is great in principle, when people are choosing to use the to…

Well, this bounty is just about the only way that the Prettier team could contribute to solving that issue, so rejoice. Besides that, I get the impression being a universal standard is kind of a non-issue for Prettier: - If it was widespread, but highly configurable, that increases friction when switching projects, because there will be tiny formatting differences everywhere - If it was not widespread, it would not b…

> If it was widespread, but highly configurable, that increases friction when switching projects

This is clearly not true. Far and away the single most contentious JS style issue is ASI, and prettier has a config option for it and nobody bats an eye. Ditto for the prototypical style issues of indent size and tabs/spaces.

The value of prettier is enforcing a consistent style within a repo, and config options don't affect that. To the contrary, config options are part of why prettier is so popular - if they'd never added ASI then a lot of projects would never have adopted it.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by nhumrich »

icambron wrote: post #91
dewey wrote: post #8

> One question you are probably wondering is why would the Prettier team fund another project!? In practice, Prettier has been the dominant code formatter for JavaScript and as a result of a lack of competition, there has been little incentive to push on performance and fix various edge cases. I was indeed wondering that but the answer doesn't really answer the question for me. Why not set a bounty to improve Prettie…

I can't speak for the Prettier folks, but as an OSS maintainer, I'm more interested in the problem being solved than everyone using my particular solution . I actually don't benefit at all from you using my code; I did all the work to make the world a place where $PROBLEM has an accessible solution. So if I were passionate about, say, JS code formatting, I would be pretty happy if someone came along and solved that p…

Can confirm. I wrote an OS library once for a thing. It started getting popular, then suddenly a large, well known project shipped an alternative solution (competitor?). It was the best thing ever to happen to my project. I got what I wanted (what my library aimed to solve) and no longer had to be the maintainer for that thing.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by syrusakbary »

nilslice wrote: post #266
slimsag wrote: post #256

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The roadmap I linked above. The WASI folks have done a poor job at communicating, no doubt. Just for you I did some googling: see here[0] for the current status of WASI threads overall, or here[1] and here[2] for what they are up to with WASI in general. In this PR[3] you can see they enabled threads (atomic instructions and shared memory, not thread creation) by default in wasmtime. And in this[4] repository you can…

thank you! slimsag is not the one being polarizing at all… pretty sure everyone in the wasm space is sick of this too, but hey, keep building I guess?

I wish the votes in the comments were public, so maybe you could actually get a grasp of what the community really feels like!

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by syrusakbary »

jeffparsons wrote: post #252
n42 wrote: post #174

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It's fine to be forthcoming about the financial interests of your projects – this is Hacker News, after all. We live on VC. The tone of your previous comment suggests there is none. I find it hard to believe that anything you would spend your company's time on would not push the mission of the company forward. This creates a financial incentive.

A charitable interpretation could be that a rising tide lifts all boats. Syrus/Wasmer may sincerely believe that WASIX contributes to the rising tide, and it will therefore benefit Wasmer and all other Wasm-related ventures alike. Under this interpretation, there would still be a financial incentive, but it would not be underhanded.

I'm happy to see some convergence here :)

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by nilslice »

syrusakbary wrote: post #273
nilslice wrote: post #266

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thank you! slimsag is not the one being polarizing at all… pretty sure everyone in the wasm space is sick of this too, but hey, keep building I guess?

I wish the votes in the comments were public, so maybe you could actually get a grasp of what the community really feels like!

oh we all feel it

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by syrusakbary »

n42 wrote: post #257
jeffparsons wrote: post #252

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A charitable interpretation could be that a rising tide lifts all boats. Syrus/Wasmer may sincerely believe that WASIX contributes to the rising tide, and it will therefore benefit Wasmer and all other Wasm-related ventures alike. Under this interpretation, there would still be a financial incentive, but it would not be underhanded.

This is, despite how it may otherwise appear, how I see it. I think that the decision is a good one, made by people and a company I don't trust. The broader context of Syrus' actions within the community (which reflect on Wasmer as its CEO) are what raise concern for me.

> I think that the decision is a good one

I'm incredibly happy to hear that

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by fastball »

As an aside, the winning project (Biome) is a fork (renaming?) of the Rome project, which was started by Sebastian McKenzie (creator of Babel) a few years ago.

Forked because sebmck seems to have gone AWOL over the last year or so and contributors were unable to update many of the project's resources as only he had access. Hope he is doing ok though and glad the Biome project seems to be going strong regardless.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by fenomas »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #213
fenomas wrote: post #79

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I think the real issue with prettier is that it's almost become a de facto standard. E.g. personally I don't like it at all , but do like Svelte, and Svelte's official (and AFAIK only) formatter uses prettier. Hence I use prettier for Svelte, and ditto for a few other things. So the whole "extremely opinionated, if you want configuration go somewhere else" is great in principle, when people are choosing to use the to…

To use the Go language's formatter and a saying, "Gofmt's style is no one's favorite, yet gofmt is everyone's favorite." That is, you may not like the style, but it's preferable over having no tool ensuring consistent style.

Agreed, but that's a different conversation because gofmt is a lot less opinionated than prettier. Prettier goes well beyond style issues, and messes with semantics - it will add or remove parentheses in math expressions, add or remove linebreaks within lines of code, etc.

If prettier worked more like gofmt I'd probably love it and have no complaints!

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by syrusakbary »

jeffparsons wrote: post #259
syrusakbary wrote: post #229

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> The issue isn't with WASIX, but with you and your actions. Is refreshing to see at least some honesty. Haters gonna hate, so I personally don't mind. Have a great day!

> Haters gonna hate If you dismiss all criticism of your behaviour in this way, you'll never gain any insight into why so many people find your behaviour so objectionable. It's not because "haters gonna hate". It's not because you're operating in a competitive and highly visible space, and so of course you're going to receive some "hate", or whatever other dismissive narrative you might have cooked up. Look around yo…

Without entering in any detail on what you mentioned (other than sincerely thank you for the belief in the potential upside for Wasmer!), I think we may have very different definition of what a hater is.

A hater, for me, is someone that lacks of constructive criticism.

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