Good. Let them make a fool of themselves in court. Tesla wont be happy till every country treats it's employees like disposable garbage, just like in the US.
If they're treated like garbage, why don't they quit?
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Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
The EU doesn't have a say in this matter.
It will if they go to court, Tesla loses and escalates each time. After the supreme court of Sweden you can take things to the EU court.
>After the supreme court of Sweden you can take things to the EU court.
The EU doesn't have an appellate court; unless there's a question of interpretation of EU law (and that's for the court to decide, not parties to the case) there's no basis for making a referral.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#263Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I were Musk, I'd just shut down the whole operation in Sweden. It is not like the country is particularily big.
If he does that, he will have to do the same with norway, and probably Denmark too. Also, Tesla will have to open-source his hardware, because it will have to respect warranties, and without transport/local Tesla shops, the only alternative will be conventional car shop, which right now cannot really serve Teslas, at least in France.
> Also, Tesla will have to open-source his hardware, because it will have to respect warranties, and without transport/local Tesla shops, the only alternative will be conventional car shop, which right now cannot really serve Teslas, at least in France.
If force majeure is a valid reason to not receive mail, how is it not a valid reason to ignore warranties? Sauce for the goose and gander and all that.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
Clearly performative? The court just ordered the agency to hand over the license plates to Tesla within a week. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/domstol-teslas-registreri...
First, this will not be decided by the tingsrätt, second, the context is wider than this single issue. The “performative” is why doesn’t Tesla just sign a union agreement, that is performative.
> The “performative” is why doesn’t Tesla just sign a union agreement
Because very few (none?) employees working for Tesla are actually on strike. There are a lot of postal employees, dockworkers, etc on strike, but not many from Tesla.
It appears that the IF Metall wants Tesla to sign a collective agreement, but neither Tesla nor most (all?) of Tesla's employees want that. As far as I can ascertain, the union's only grievance against Tesla is that they do not have a collective bargaining agreement (not pay, not conditions).
IF Metall has gotten so little traction that they are offering even non-member Tesla employees 130% of normal pay to go on strike, and also publicly talking about sanctions against member employees who continue to show up to work.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
The union is offering free memberships and 130% of normal pay. Tesla employees still don’t want to strike [1]. This is why the unions are using these extreme tactics. 1. https://teknikensvarld.expressen.se/nyheter/bilbranschen/tes...
Tesla threatened to remove their stocks if they strikes so not surprised as it's supposedly a large part of their compensation.
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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#267Good. Let them make a fool of themselves in court. Tesla wont be happy till every country treats it's employees like disposable garbage, just like in the US.
If they're treated like garbage, why don't they quit?
Ask that to an Amazon warehouse or a 3rd world factory worker.
Quit and do what? Starve? Become homeless? Destroy the little of what is left of your family's stability? Lose access to treatment of your health condition(s)? Die?
Perhaps if there was some way to survive in this world without relying on a greater force to put a roof over your head and bread on your table, then anyone could quit without being compelled to stay with the lesser suffering.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
The district court just ordered the Transport Agency to hand over the plates to Tesla within a week, Postnord be damned. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/domstol-teslas-registreri...
As a temporary injunction, yes.
Judges don't give out injunctions forcing the govt to do something outside the status quo easily unless there's a strong case.
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#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
PostNord is a private business owned by Sweden and Denmark. Unless there are specific laws to the contrary, its employees have the same right to strike as any other private sector employees. (More generally, postal services in the EU tend to be structured as businesses these days, because they are in direct competition with various courier and package delivery services.) Also, while the employees may be on strike, ma…
Why aren't Tesla suing PostNord instead?
Because the right to strike is written in the constitution. Postnord isn't really in the wrong here, but instead it's the Swedish DMV that has a questionable inflexibility of using something else than Postnord. The state is not supposed to partake, intentionally or not, in this "game of chess" between employers and unions.