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Public health authorities didn't exactly cover themselves in glory from 2020-2022. Scientists did! But there's a world of difference between a public health practitioner and a microbiologist or physical chemist or chemical engineer.
Are you suggesting that microbiologists, physical chemists, and chemical engineers now claim that properly fitted N95 masks are ineffective in reducing the transmission of current strains of COVID?
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you suggesting that microbiologists, physical chemists, and chemical engineers now claim that properly fitted N95 masks are ineffective in reducing the transmission of current strains of COVID?
What a weird conclusion to reach from what I've written.
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#93I'd be shocked if this was anywhere near reality. Covid hasn't been an issue any of the hospitals that I work at to the point that many doctors and nurses don't even bother with N95 masks when seeing covid patients. It's more likely this is people dying with covid and not from covid. If someone covid positive has a stroke or heart attack which column is that being written in? I have had to write my share of death cer…
> Covid hasn't been an issue any of the hospitals that I work at to the point that many doctors and nurses don't even bother with N95 masks when seeing covid patients. Damn, where are you at? Got ~75 hospital and care home units in active COVID-19 outbreak right now in Toronto. And outbreak doesn't include people that arrived with it, just spread within the unit. https://ckan0.cf.opendata.inter.prod-toronto.ca/datase…
And anecdotally - I just got it 3 weeks ago, along with my whole household (Hamilton area), after avoiding it for the entire time prior to this. My elderly parents got it a couple weeks before that. Coworkers of mine got it. It's all over the place right now.
Just got back from the family dr's office today. The doctors were all in masks. The nurses weren't bothering.
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The air on a plane circulates and causes illness to many people, like people who have had plastic surgery are advised not to travel too soon for fear of infection. Have you found that it helps there?
I read an article about masking and airplanes that seemed reasonable: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/07/covid-omi... The basic advice is to unmask when it is okay to use your laptop. The plane is cruising and cabin air is completely exchanged with outside air every 2 minutes. The biggest risk, according to the article, is when the plane is on the ground.
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#96Current stats for US:[1] Hospital admissions are up to 3x the August-September low. Deaths are way down, though. The vaccines really do work against deaths, and the newer variants are less lethal. Understanding of long COVID at the cellular level is just beginning, but there is progress.[2] [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklyhospi... [2] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.08.09.22278…
> the newer variants are less lethal. Is this true, or does just about everyone have at least some residual immunity from infection/vaccination?
Immunity from both having the disease and vaccination lasts somewhere between 3 to 18 months. [1][2] Study results differ, but most are in that range.
This disease changes fast enough that the vaccine will probably have to change at least annually, like flu vaccines. We'll see how the winter goes.
[1] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-long-do-covid-...
[2] https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/health/covid-19-infection-imm...
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Yes they are effective, but don’t forget that they’re not perfect - your eyes and ears remain as access ports for the virus even when wearing a mask. Probably eyes is the biggest after respiratory because glasses have been shown to decrease infections if I recall correctly.
It doesn't need to be perfect in order to be effective. What's your point?
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> I haven't had a single transmissible illness since I started wearing KN95 whenever I'm around people indoors You mean you haven't gotten ill since you started being hyperparanoid about getting ill? Sure, that's not really surprising. Tying the result specifically to the masking itself is still speculative though, as would be generalizing your specific case to the whole population, eg. as you say, "decently fitting…
This really gives off to me the same vibes as when doctors were up in arms that washing hands before surgery couldn’t possibly have an effect on the outcome. We know that such viruses have to enter your body through eyes, ears, nose or throat or there’s no way to get an infection. Why do you think it’s so surprising that blocking access to your respiratory system by a filter that is small enough to exclude the virus…
I never said it would be surprising, I did however say that taking that seemingly plausible argument and immediately concluding that masks would meaningfully reduce infections in a whole population is premature. As you just said, viruses enter the body through multiple mucous membranes, so if everyone who wears masks doesn't wear them properly, or still touches their eyes and doesn't sanitize their hands properly before eating, the effect of masks could still be minimal.
> Furthermore, if I recall correctly there’s studies showing efficacy of having even a basic cloth covering helps because the thickness of the material means that even if the virus is small enough to get through, the probability of crossing all the layers through the cloth is harder
It's important to keep in mind that 50% of studies in medicine fail to replicate. Don't put too much stock in "I saw a study".
> Picking up illness from contact with a surface -> touching your face is a much more difficult infection vector than the direct access port available through the communication ports on your head.
Is it? Do you have empirical data to support this claim? I'm sure it seems plausible to you, just like it seemed plausible to those old doctors you mentioned that a gentleman's hands were always clean, but I think the real lesson is that we should rely on empirical data and not only on seemingly plausible arguments from seemingly plausible assumptions.
Which isn't to say that advising people to wear masks is necessarily a bad idea either, but there's a world of difference between "this seems like a good idea if you're cautious or want to reduce your changes of getting sick" and "you're a terrible person if you don't do this because this is proven to work".
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#100Ah, this is the perfect summary to explain to people when they ask "why are you still wearing a mask? COVID is over" or similar queries invalidating my caution around this virus. Worth noting is it was the 4th-leading cause of death in 2020 and 2021. Not sure why this is being downvoted into oblivion, as I regularly get some hassle from people about my strict adherence to wearing a mask indoors around people, and the…
This is just something to think about. After I was called back in to the office and started seeing people more often I came down with what I would have sworn was covid three times. Absolutely the worst flu-like symptoms I'd ever had that I could recall, each affecting me in a novel way, but negative on covid each time. They could have been false negatives, of course, but I suspect I just hadn't been training my immun…