Good. Let them make a fool of themselves in court. Tesla wont be happy till every country treats it's employees like disposable garbage, just like in the US.
If they're treated like garbage, why don't they quit?
Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
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#253What if Tesla just pulled out of the country? Who's worst off? Sweden: - Loss of jobs, I don't know how many. (But the workers would prob. be quite bitter, they earned more with Tesla shops than standard shops) - May be bad for Swedish investments, since a union deal would now be mandatory. - Less electric cars, less good for the environment. - € ~100M/year in tax lost from sales. Tesla: - Loosing € ~350M/year (10K S…
It is odd that Tesla went to Sweden only to make such a fuss over local customs. On the other hand what's going on does not show Sweden in a particularly positive light, either IMHO.
At this point everyone loses but it doesn't seem likely that unions will back down.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#254What if Tesla just pulled out of the country? Who's worst off? Sweden: - Loss of jobs, I don't know how many. (But the workers would prob. be quite bitter, they earned more with Tesla shops than standard shops) - May be bad for Swedish investments, since a union deal would now be mandatory. - Less electric cars, less good for the environment. - € ~100M/year in tax lost from sales. Tesla: - Loosing € ~350M/year (10K S…
Then they'll likely need to pull out of all of Scandinavia. There's already talk of sympathy strikes in both Norway and Denmark.
Germany where they have a factory doesn't seem far behind the rest of Scandinavia.
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#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't think Tesla owners would seek reimbursement if they cannot service their cars anymore? The government would likely get involved to avoid Tesla car e-waste, either to force car returns and repayment or to allow 3rd party mechanics to work on their cars.
Most contracts got exemptions when breaches, delays, non-service etc. are due to strikes.
Sure, but that is not the same as pulling out of the country.
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#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's not crazy when you understand the Swedish model the only thing i’m questioning is the idea that the postal company is allowed to not deliver mail. it just looks very wrong to me.
Striking is one thing, but targeting an individual company is another. They are not striking, they are selectively denying a critical service to force submission. It is not hard to imagine scenarios where this is weaponized with horrifying outcomes.
Anything can be weaponised with horrifying outcomes. (Your kitchen knife, radio, rats, automatic rifles, democracy)
The thing to look at: actual track record (positives vs negatives).
How many tragic events happened due to Swedish sympathy strikes targeting a company?
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#257Lawsuit is about the state telling postnord a mail delivery company, to not deliver licence plates in some weitd sympathy action. Tesla won the suit and the licence plates have to be delivered. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Mo0V85/tesla-far-ut-sin...
> (translated) They approve the interim request. They say that the Swedish Transport Agency must give consent for Tesla to pick up the license plates from the manufacturer of license plates.
they will not be delivered. Tesla was allowed to pick them up.
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#258Not overly knowledgeable on Swedish law, but the idea that a public sector union can decide to block public services (in this case postal delivery of license plates) for a single company as a sympathy strike seems pretty nuts to me. Pretty sure Sweden would lose in European court at least (of course it would probably take a long time to percolate there).
PostNord is a private business owned by Sweden and Denmark. Unless there are specific laws to the contrary, its employees have the same right to strike as any other private sector employees. (More generally, postal services in the EU tend to be structured as businesses these days, because they are in direct competition with various courier and package delivery services.) Also, while the employees may be on strike, ma…
Why aren't Tesla suing PostNord instead?
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#259Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
The EU doesn't have a say in this matter.
It will if they go to court, Tesla loses and escalates each time. After the supreme court of Sweden you can take things to the EU court.
You can take things to the EU courts only in specific cases. You have to find out if it's an applicable human rights issue (it isn't). You can try to get the European Commission interested (good luck with that). Etc. Even if an EU court examined the case and made a decision, Sweden wouldn't necessarily implement the judgement.
See e.g. https://commission.europa.eu/about-european-commission/conta...