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Phrack Issue #68

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Re: Phrack Issue #68

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You might be right that there aren't many "hackers" on HN, but a lot of it has to do with how you define the term. As for not knowing eclectic but important bits of history like "2600" or even who "Lawnchair Larry" was, experience takes time, and knowledge takes effort. A good example is that most people don't know all of the available terminal commands available on a UNIX(-ish including MacOS/iOS/Android) system, le…

> You might be right that there aren't many "hackers" on HN, but a lot of it has to do with how you define the term. Exactly. Here on HN the confusion is worsened because the definition of "hacker" has shifted from ~"security expert" to ~"technical enterpreuner". Nothing wrong in redefining terms but we shouldn't be surprised if outside here hacker has another meaning.

~"security expert" has never been the canonical definition. http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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The 'Lines In The Sand' piece reads like someone who is enamored with being a 'bad boy' and that breaking the law is just really cool and if you want to be a cool black hat hacker you should basically try to cause as much mayhem as possible, fuck anyone else (but also be in complete solidarity with the black hat brethren who should totally go to jail for you without question). Apparently you can't even hack for a liv…

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Re: Phrack Issue #68

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I'm surprised how the younger generation does not seems to know all these things. It's not like if they weren't well-known. Sometimes I hear "what's 2600?" " why is it called 2600?" from "security professionals". Woot.

I doubt it is related to being the younger generation. I think it is more to do with Hacker News not having many "hackers" ;)

Ironically true. I have some friends who are afraid of visiting the site on their work machines because their co-workers are "innocent" enough to think hackernews might be actually about "classic" hacking.

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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The 'Lines In The Sand' piece reads like someone who is enamored with being a 'bad boy' and that breaking the law is just really cool and if you want to be a cool black hat hacker you should basically try to cause as much mayhem as possible, fuck anyone else (but also be in complete solidarity with the black hat brethren who should totally go to jail for you without question). Apparently you can't even hack for a liv…

New laws drafted by lobbyist create new categories of illegal stuff. Usually with disproportionate punishments. Just ask Dimitri Skylarov. Valid use of circumventions are made illegal (e.g. breaking ebooks DRM so blind people can read). It's getting out of control in USA/EU and many other places, thanks to old money.

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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Perhaps they've sold out and your only options are to read it on their web site or purchase an Amazon DRMed eBook version.

Haha, how can you be sold out of an eBook? Besides, it's a free download.

No. "Sold out" to The Man. The Capitalist Man.

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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PHUCK YEAH. You wanna talk about news for hackers, and not this Bay Area, VC-manipulated, water-downed, same-ol' bullshit? Phrack is real talk. If you want to travel outside of California and actually call yourself a hacker, you're gonna need to read this and as much of the archive as you can. Phrack 0wnz.

Good point. Also, why are you on this site? You can't get much more "Bay Area, VC-manipulated, water-downed, same-ol' bullshit" than HN.

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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I doubt it is related to being the younger generation. I think it is more to do with Hacker News not having many "hackers" ;)

Ironically true. I have some friends who are afraid of visiting the site on their work machines because their co-workers are "innocent" enough to think hackernews might be actually about "classic" hacking.

Shouldn't "classic" hacking be the days of yore in Bell Labs? When I think hackers I think Ritchie and Thompson working on C and Unix. The definition of hacking you're thinking of is the media's definition, i.e. the clueless one.

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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I think the landscape has changed a lot since then. Back then computer security had more of an underground feel it, where free and open discussion about it was viewed as being discouraged by 'the authorities'. The 'underground' pretty much existed for this reason. Now the information out there is so widely available. Given enough time and effort, you can become pretty well-versed based on what's available. Still, eve…

I think we shouldn't sleep on our laurels. Free exchange of information, security wise, is certainly already a thing of the past. That's not good. Freedom of information (as I prefer to call it), in general, is more than ever at risk. In France, they're outlawing surfing on websites that can be called "terrorist". That include documenting yourself on "bad" countries' culture (bad as in your govt does not like them),…

My post said nothing to argue 'resting on our laurels' or any other political arguments to do so. It was about today relative to the past.

And I really don't see how free exchange is a thing of the past when even on HN there are posts and discussions about security. Sure, there are people working against the free exchange of information, but cherry-picking examples to suggest there has been a total reversal or that nothing has been accomplished is neither realistic nor fair.

Re: Phrack Issue #68

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The 'Lines In The Sand' piece reads like someone who is enamored with being a 'bad boy' and that breaking the law is just really cool and if you want to be a cool black hat hacker you should basically try to cause as much mayhem as possible, fuck anyone else (but also be in complete solidarity with the black hat brethren who should totally go to jail for you without question). Apparently you can't even hack for a liv…

As a student taking a CS degree for fun, I think the 'Happy Hacking' article is fairly insightful. Not of the best quality, perhaps, but insightful none the less.

A good article would have taken the actual source material "The Happiness Hypothesis" and not filtered it through antisec/anticorp propaganda. It's nice that they pointed out the general idea that doing what you love as your job doesn't always work out, but jesus fucking christ, there's so many jobs out there I can guarantee you there's a way to do what you love and make money off it and not grow to hate it. Nothing is set in stone.
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