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Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by blibble »

jacquesm wrote: post #597
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #578

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Areas like the West Midlands and Yorkshire had the highest levels of support Areas with higher unemployment and lower economic development and opportunities often tend to vote on the extremes of the spectrum out of desperation. It's easy to think the EU or foreigners too your jobs away and that leaving the EU will somehow make it better.

Ironically: those votes made their plight even worse. Spend enough marketing money and say the right magic words and you can easily get people to vote against their own interests. That's something I always hated about democracy: that people tend to be divided by talking points and emotional issues that don't matter all that much and then vote into power parties that will rob them blind. Case in point: in NL we have h…

> Spend enough marketing money and say the right magic words and you can easily get people to vote against their own interests.

again, total rubbish

the working class mostly voted against mass low-skilled immigration from the EU

it was very much in their interests to cut off this stream of competition, and a few years later...

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-...

to me it seems like they knew exactly what they were voting for (vs. EU regional development fund money for the town's middle class opera house/cultural centre/...)

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by tempestn »

theGeatZhopa wrote: post #534
tempestn wrote: post #416

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450 open tabs? I really have to think it would be worth the time to adapt to using some kind of clipping/note-taking software instead.

No it's ok.. but you're right here. There are better suited tools for me. But I'm too lazy haha Just got used to it and I fear notes will be the same like favorites in the browser :)

The big difference for me is that with clipped notes the full contents are searchable. I agree that browser bookmarks are generally poor for reference material, as you tend to forget what you've bookmarked. But by clipping the whole page you essentially build your own searchable database. I use Evernote for this because I started in 2012, but I would look at alternatives first if I were starting today.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

blibble wrote: post #631
jacquesm wrote: post #597

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically: those votes made their plight even worse. Spend enough marketing money and say the right magic words and you can easily get people to vote against their own interests. That's something I always hated about democracy: that people tend to be divided by talking points and emotional issues that don't matter all that much and then vote into power parties that will rob them blind. Case in point: in NL we have h…

> Spend enough marketing money and say the right magic words and you can easily get people to vote against their own interests. again, total rubbish the working class mostly voted against mass low-skilled immigration from the EU it was very much in their interests to cut off this stream of competition, and a few years later... https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-... to me it seems like they kn…

>https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-...

Hmm, the article is from February 2022, aka right when we had "peak economy" just before the wordlwide shit hit the fan and everything tanked again, so I'm curious how much of that wage grows was just due to the Covid money printing boom that drove up demand in all sectors, coupled with reduced immigration due to Covid travel restrictions, is the true cause of this this wage boost instead it being the cause of just "EU workers diluted our wages".

>it was very much in their interests to cut off this stream of competition

Except now they have even more competition from outside the EU, with the UK reaching migration records as of recently. And non-EU cheap labor tends to be even cheaper compared to cheap EU labor.

Of course the pandemic economic boom coupled with temporary cutting off of migration due to covid travel restrictions would cause wages to spike in 2020-2022 but that could very well be temporary now with the increase migration from non-EU countries and with lower investments into the UK due to the lack of EU membership bringing the labor demand back down within the next 10+ years.

My point is only time will tell whether Brexit will or will not improve working class wages, the past ~3 years were a anomaly on many fronts. We'll just have to wait and see.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by maccard »

godshatter wrote: post #593
maccard wrote: post #528

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I've used Firefox consistently since about 2006, and it is true. We use gmail and meet in work - both are snappier and break less in chrome than in Firefox. I probably spend 30% of my browser time on those two sites in work.

The fact that Google's gmail and Google Meet break more in Firefox than in Google's Chrome leads me to wonder what they are doing to make Firefox work as badly as it does.

Oh it's got to be intentional.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

jacquesm wrote: post #455
Dah00n wrote: post #380

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>to get the EU digital markets update, which lets you uninstall Edge. Again — as a former anti-EU person — I am reminded why I am now pro-EU. While nowhere perfect it is much better than not having an EU and way, way better than the US.

I've come across many anti EU persons and there are some broad categories: - the uninformed, they have no idea about how the EU came about or what it does, but they're against it anyway - the people on the receiving end of the regulations (anti-trust, advertisers, marketeers, bankers, data sellers etc). They have a very good idea about what it does, but it interferes with their preferred way of getting to more cash.…

> the people on the receiving end of the regulations

This sometimes does include the average citizen. In particular various ecodesign rules resulted in household devices being forcibly replaced with versions perceived as inferior (whether justifiedly or not), and most washing machines will default to an EU mode that doesn't work well, takes exactly two hours and 59 minutes, but is more energy efficient.

The EU also has serious problems with a lack of democratic oversight, sometimes leading to legislation that couldn't be passed on a lower level getting reintroduced through the EU "back door" on behalf of either governments or lobbyists. The parliament, for example, doesn't get to propose laws - only the commission does! And by being "far away" from the public eye, bad proposals can often get very far before civil society even realizes they exist.

I still think even the legislative influence is a net positive, and the practical benefits of standardization and open borders are massive, but let's not pretend it's perfect and purely awesome for "the little guy".

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by smsm42 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #537
smsm42 wrote: post #521

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There's a difference between saying "it's possible to exist without EU - see countries X and Y as an example" and "if we leave EU we will turn immediately into country X or Y". The first is reasonable argument, the second is completely ridiculous.

There is a difference indeed, but that difference was completely ignored when the referendum slogans were shouted precisely to lie to people that if they left the EU they would be in the same position as Switzerland and Norway which is an appealing prospect.

Could you bring a couple of examples of such slogans?

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by idonotknowwhy »

ghusto wrote: post #436
eloisant wrote: post #246

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The way profiles (or tab containers) work in Firefox sucks compared to Chrome honestly. I could never find a way to open in the correct profile from external applications.

You don't need profiles in Firefox, there's a much better solution called Container Tabs. If you're using profiles to keep things like work and play separate, check it out and thank me later ;)

I stopped using that feature because I have a personal and work Gmail, and I wanted them isolated. But there was some bug whereby every time I'd click any Google link, I'd prompt me to switch to the work container. Others online had the same issue and nobody had a solution

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by luc4 »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #137
luc4 wrote: post #90

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What? We're not refusing to "pay other software companies a few bucks for their engineering work", we refuse to give in to the extortion attempts of a greedy multi-billion dollar company. I have and will keep financially supporting software I find useful. However, I do agree that it's questionable whether you can easily replace Google as a source of funding.

> I have and will keep financially supporting software I find useful If you watch YouTube you presumably find it useful too? Also, what about content creators? They get paid off the money Google gets from YouTube.

I find the videos themselves useful. YouTube just happens to be the place where they're hosted. I support content creators directly and I have a Nebula subscription.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by idonotknowwhy »

dingi wrote: post #328
izacus wrote: post #58

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Yes, attacking the source of revenue that sustains a project is always a sensitive prospect. But then again, what's the alternative for Mozilla? In case of YouTube Premium we've clearly seen that even HN software engineers, demanding six figure pay, will refuse to pay other software companies a few bucks for their engineering work. Where does Mozilla find funding to sustain itself elsewhere?

Perhaps, Mozilla ought cut the crap like spending huge sums on CEO salaries, social justice projects, And anything unrelated to browser building.

I wonder how much the actual browser development and hosting costs,without all the marketing, sjw stuff and experiments like their phone os. If it's not astronomical, surely it could be forked and setup with a patreon style model to fund engineers

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by idonotknowwhy »

lopis wrote: post #129
dna_polymerase wrote: post #74

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Firefox is essentially a dead fish in the sea. Depending on source, Firefox sits at 3-8 % market share. They are much more likely to lose funding because of irrelevancy than some users using AdBlock.

3-8% of the Internet users is 400 million users. I wouldn't call that "dead in the sea". Even 1% of the Internet users is a very significant amount of users. Why obsess with market share? At some point all browsers raised from 0% market share. Choose whatever fits your needs.

I wonder how many of us get counted as chrome users. Eg. I have to fake the chrome user agent to set the full Google finance on Firefox mobile
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