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Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by curiousgal »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #107
izacus wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, attacking the source of revenue that sustains a project is always a sensitive prospect. But then again, what's the alternative for Mozilla? In case of YouTube Premium we've clearly seen that even HN software engineers, demanding six figure pay, will refuse to pay other software companies a few bucks for their engineering work. Where does Mozilla find funding to sustain itself elsewhere?

If I were running Mozilla I would be aggressively investing the Google money until it's at a point where the interest on that investment is enough to sustain the entire operation. The problem is, Mozilla is full of NGO types who don't care about the browser, and use the money stream to fund pet projects. If the spigot gets shut off, they don't care, they'll jump ship to some other non profit and will keep "making the…

But how would Mitchel Baker pay her self millions of dollars in salary if that money is tied up in investments?

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by tinus_hn »

theferalrobot wrote: post #93
jraph wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's doing Google's game by being based on Blink.

Blink is the de facto web standard like it or not just like linux is for web hosting and both are open source and contributed to by many companies. Firefox is now in 5th place for browser market share and Mozilla is a dumpster fire of a company, imo it is only a matter of time before Firefox switches or completely folds.

Spoken like a true Internet Explorer believer in 2010. Nothing is forever, no matter how solid its lead appears to be.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by jamespo »

jackjeff wrote: post #91
bilekas wrote: post #20

I love Firefox, but for some reason I can't pull away from Brave at the moment for my daily driver. Time will tell how long they can hold out against the changes that will eventually filter into chromium. I see the future of adblocking etc being put back to the network side, things like piHole should get a 'new' lease of life.

> things like piHole should get a 'new' lease of life. You could never implement what ublock origin does with simple DNS blocking. The way ublock origin works is by going after cross domain requests. But I imagine an HTTP proxy of some kind could do it. You’d get slightly higher latency (because you’d have to parse the HTML doc twice) But installing a chrome extension is piece of cake. Setting up a “pi hole” or proxy…

I've considered the HTTP proxy (anyone remember the fantastic proxomitron?), the problem is it would have to MITM all the HTTPS.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by bratwurst3000 »

Some interesting data point in the discussion is in the unlock origin wiki article.

„ As of January 2021, the uBlock Origin Chrome extension had over 10 million active users and the Firefox version had 5 million active users „

There are 5-10 times more chrome users then Firefox . Chrome users are for some reasons using less ublock then Firefox users.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by iamacyborg »

timenova wrote: post #128
izacus wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, attacking the source of revenue that sustains a project is always a sensitive prospect. But then again, what's the alternative for Mozilla? In case of YouTube Premium we've clearly seen that even HN software engineers, demanding six figure pay, will refuse to pay other software companies a few bucks for their engineering work. Where does Mozilla find funding to sustain itself elsewhere?

It's not just about being able to pay. Free YouTube: You can watch with ads and you are tracked. YouTube Premium: You can watch without ads but you're still tracked. YouTube with an Ad Blocker: You can watch without ads and without being tracked. Google's largest chunk of revenue comes from ads. Being tracked simply means you'll be shown targeted ads in other areas apart from YouTube if you pay them. They shouldn't c…

Youtube can still track you even if you use an ad blocker.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by Xenoamorphous »

luc4 wrote: post #90
izacus wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, attacking the source of revenue that sustains a project is always a sensitive prospect. But then again, what's the alternative for Mozilla? In case of YouTube Premium we've clearly seen that even HN software engineers, demanding six figure pay, will refuse to pay other software companies a few bucks for their engineering work. Where does Mozilla find funding to sustain itself elsewhere?

What? We're not refusing to "pay other software companies a few bucks for their engineering work", we refuse to give in to the extortion attempts of a greedy multi-billion dollar company. I have and will keep financially supporting software I find useful. However, I do agree that it's questionable whether you can easily replace Google as a source of funding.

> I have and will keep financially supporting software I find useful

If you watch YouTube you presumably find it useful too?

Also, what about content creators? They get paid off the money Google gets from YouTube.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by theferalrobot »

tinus_hn wrote: post #132
theferalrobot wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blink is the de facto web standard like it or not just like linux is for web hosting and both are open source and contributed to by many companies. Firefox is now in 5th place for browser market share and Mozilla is a dumpster fire of a company, imo it is only a matter of time before Firefox switches or completely folds.

Spoken like a true Internet Explorer believer in 2010. Nothing is forever, no matter how solid its lead appears to be.

Certainly not but believing that FireFox is going to resurrect itself from a dropping market share of 3% is delusional and the sooner we all face reality the better we can make it. I loved FireFox over the years but he’s dead Jim.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #107
izacus wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, attacking the source of revenue that sustains a project is always a sensitive prospect. But then again, what's the alternative for Mozilla? In case of YouTube Premium we've clearly seen that even HN software engineers, demanding six figure pay, will refuse to pay other software companies a few bucks for their engineering work. Where does Mozilla find funding to sustain itself elsewhere?

If I were running Mozilla I would be aggressively investing the Google money until it's at a point where the interest on that investment is enough to sustain the entire operation. The problem is, Mozilla is full of NGO types who don't care about the browser, and use the money stream to fund pet projects. If the spigot gets shut off, they don't care, they'll jump ship to some other non profit and will keep "making the…

Mozilla consists of a non-profit foundation and a for-profit corporation. It is the corporation which develops the browser, and Google pays the corporation.

Re: Choose the browser that best suits your privacy needs

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Post by lopis »

kachurovskiy wrote: post #119

I've switched from Chrome to Firefox couple years ago. Very happy with ad blocking. The few problem are: PayPal asks for an SMS code way too often, some PayPal checkout flows don't work and occasionally some website form isn't functional because they didn't test in Firefox - for those cases I just open Chrome.

Cloudflare also loves to bully Firefox users with incessant captchas.
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