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The point is that the law explicitly permits the postal union to do this. Tesla's suit is probably going nowhere.
Tesla isn't demanding the postal union to ship them the plates, they are demanding to be allowed to pick up the plates by themselves.
Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
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>Most probably the Swedes will cave in, after kindly being reminded that the >Russians are located just across the Baltic lake from them. >Interesting to think what will Musk give to the DC people in exchange. This is incredibly uninformed. Sweden is to important for NATO to care about helping Musk.
But if you want "informed" opinion, I've just gone through this series of studies: "Military Strategy in the 21st Century - The Challenge for NATO" [1], where on page no. 415 there's an essay titled "Military Strategy in Denmark" by a guy called Petter Viggo Jakobsen, Associate Professor at the Institute for Strategy at the Royal Defence College, while on page no. 433 there's another study titled "Norway's Military Strategy after the Cold War: Between Demise and Revival", by a guy named Tormod Heier, lieutenant colonel in the Norwegian Army and Professor in Political Science at the Norwgeian Defence University College. Both of those studies underline how both Norway's and Denmark's strategy deeply rely on the good-will of the United States.
Granted, Sweden is not Norway nor Denmark, but it's not De Gaulle's France either, so I suspect, based on my informed readings, that their military and defence strategy is closer to today's strategy of Norway and Denmark than to the military strategy espoused back in the 1960s by a country such as France (which could back then to say no to the Americans).
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Whatever the equivalent of the DMV in Sweden is?
I'd presume those plates get from the license plate factory to the DMV offices somehow. I'd presume that method isn't carrier pigeon.
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> and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). It's not crazy when you understand the Swedish model: labour laws are minimal, setting just a very basic framework which is then taken to employers + employees negotiations to set the other terms of employment for an industry, in that it's a pretty free labour market. The…
What I don't get is: a strike is a protest in which workers refuse to work but also pay by renouncing their salary for the days they didn't work. If post employees selectively decide to not deliver to a specific client or address, what cost are they sustaining? Is their salary impacted?
There's a statement by IF Metals (the central metalworking union whose ~130 odd members are being refused a collective agreement by Tesla) that they'll support their workers through this. I would image that postal and dockworkers see similar support from their unions (although they are working on every item save those that go to/fro Tesla and are not affected to the same degree).
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while this comment is true, not sure what it has to do with the article. from my understanding tesla is actually suing the state because there’s a law saying license plates can only be delivered via post. and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). but maybe i misunderstood something, so someone can correct me if i’m…
No, you got it quite right I think. The government agency in question has a deal with Postnord (owned mainly by the Swedish state) to utilise them for all mail services. License plates has to be sent by mail. Postnord employees refuses to do so to Tesla. I believe they've also said they'd refuse to hand them out to Tesla should they come asking for them. In effect, not legal way for Tesla to sell cars in Sweden at th…
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Why would the Swedish military care if Tesla can or cannot receive licence plates fast enough?
Also, Finland is already complaining that Russia is weaponising immigrants, so much so that they've closed 7 out of 8 border posts they have with Russia (if I got the numbers right), and seeing how the problem of immigrants is a very delicate one for Sweden (and for many other Western countries generally speaking) the Swedish people holding the monopoly of violence might think twice when it comes to this trade unions issue.
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Tesla is trying any means necessary since they know that Swedish labour laws are strong: if they do not have a union agreement, workers are allowed to strike (indefinitely). This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla so I at this point I think it is an ideological/personal battle..
Are they on strike though? Are they refusing to come in to work and not being paid? From the blurb it sounds like they're choosing to not deliver mail to one particular person/company .. which sounds absurd.. I assume postal workers can't on their own decide to not deliver mail to people/companies they don't like as long as it's framed as a protest
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#693 Chapter 1:st paragraph in the law concering postal delivery in sweden. Postnord has an obligation to deliver mail. Interesting to see what will rank higher in court. The postal law or the right to strikes.
If the Transport Agency is directed to get the plates to Tesla in some other way, whatever party then needs to follow up on that (unionized Transport Agency personnel?) may also decide to strike, so it's questionable if this strategy is a good one.
Well, I mean, it's obviously a bad strategy to antagonize organized labor in a country with rule of law that observes its international obligations under ILO conventions, but, you know, given the circumstances.
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I feel like this is more performative and/or grasping at straws, kinda like the recent X Corp v Media Matters suit.
On the "what is the legal basis for..." I think Tesla is beginning a process to have their hinds (and stock price) protected. A businessman will not just raise his hands up in the air in despair and say "ok I will not proceed". No, he/Tesla is suing as they have every right to and if local/top Swedish court says "oops can't do anything" then they can easily escalate to a higher court (EU) will solve it for them. Mean…
If Tesla has to do this, I'm guessing their cars are not going to have license plates for quite some time.