Why do so many chess experts, practitioners and commenters, with varying degrees of familiarity with the chess world, misspell Elo?
They aren't misspelling, they are capitalizing on the name.
Titled Tuesday Cheating
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with your analysis. > That can be setup trivially somewhere out of view. And that's the reason headphones are banned in tournaments. It's a problem for streamers though, since they need headphones to avoid audio feedback.
What audio feedback? Do chess streamers need audio from the computer?
The audio clues that sound when the oponent moves a piece are really important, more so if you are distracted reading chat as streamers do.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Status-seeking is the reason folks focus on professional running, or professional chess, or any of these very hardcore, very difficult endeavors that have no practical purpose. Someone once commented that men make extraordinary efforts to impress women, yet in general have very little understanding of what women actually like. This explains jacked-up trucks, professional chess, professional running, etc EDIT: I'm tal…
I feel like for most competitive activities like this, who you really want to impress is other people who do that same activity. (I play competitive scrabble, for which there is approximately zero recognition in the "outside world", but having your fellow scrabble players recognise your ability counts for a lot.)
And yet so many men refuse to believe that women wear fancy dress and makeup for each other, not for men.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with your analysis. > That can be setup trivially somewhere out of view. And that's the reason headphones are banned in tournaments. It's a problem for streamers though, since they need headphones to avoid audio feedback.
What audio feedback? Do chess streamers need audio from the computer?
They often listen to music.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with your analysis. > That can be setup trivially somewhere out of view. And that's the reason headphones are banned in tournaments. It's a problem for streamers though, since they need headphones to avoid audio feedback.
What audio feedback? Do chess streamers need audio from the computer?
They are streaming.
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#76Controversial opinion, but what is the point of becoming a pro chess player in a world of computers? Any novice can beat you when assisted by an engine. The same can't be said of other professions. A novice can't design a better bridge than a civil engineer just by using cots software.
> Any novice can beat you when assisted by an engine. A novice wouldn't be assisted by the engine but rather be an engine-chessboard interface with no real input as far as the game goes. I think that's a really weird take. You wouldn't claim there's no point in 5000m race when any person with a car easily beats you.
I can't carry the car everywhere in my pocket though.
Running ability is useful in real life outside of races.
Very high chess skill is never useful in any environment outside of the artificially restricted game environment.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
You need something more sophisticated, otherwise it's easy to confuse high skill and/or well memorised lines with cheating. And a good cheater will be smart enough to either use engine assistance only in difficult spots and/or frequently pick the second/third best moves from the engine.
I think the parent's idea is that over-the-board is harder to cheat; therefore you could look at the difference between OTB and online play.
But otb is more stressful.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Any novice can beat you when assisted by an engine. A novice wouldn't be assisted by the engine but rather be an engine-chessboard interface with no real input as far as the game goes. I think that's a really weird take. You wouldn't claim there's no point in 5000m race when any person with a car easily beats you.
I can't carry the car everywhere in my pocket though. Running ability is useful in real life outside of races. Very high chess skill is never useful in any environment outside of the artificially restricted game environment.
The analogy holds. Deep thinking is useful in real life. "Very high" running skill is not useful in any environment outside of artificially restricted controlled races.
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#79Would it be possible to get some probability of cheating per player based on how often they play the best moves according to engines in online and live matches?
> based on how often they play the best moves according to engines in online and live matches
One thing that Magnus mentioned about a year ago (I think in relation to his oblique insinuation that Hans Niemann cheated) is that you don't have to cheat throughout the game.
He posited that if he checked an engine only once per game (at some critical juncture), he would be unbeatable (by any other non-cheating super GM).
If you cheat like that, it would be considerably more difficult to detect.
Caruana recently suggested that ~50% of players had cheated in cash online tournaments. He wasn't particularly clear about what he meant by "50%" but I suspect he thinks that many lesser GMs have done what Magnus suggested: they occasionally "dip their toe" into the cheating realm by checking at some critical point against a more formidable opponent.
They don't even need to do this every game. And, human nature being what it is, I bet they can convince themselves that it's not really cheating (e.g., "I was just double checking my favorite move....")
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most likely reason is because it doesn't matter, "Elo" stopped being a person long ago, similar to many named streets, cities, states, etc. throughout the world ELO is just as accurate as Elo when referring to the rating system.
How many of those cities and states became acronyms?
Probably quite a few, I refer to some cities as their acronyms only such as NY, DC, ATL, SF, etc. - admittedly they still have their old name, but ELO and Elo still have their name as well