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Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

#51

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What's the point of being a professional runner, when motorbikes exist? People can get enjoyment from doing (and watching) people doing things, even if machines can do it better.

Status-seeking is the reason folks focus on professional running, or professional chess, or any of these very hardcore, very difficult endeavors that have no practical purpose. Someone once commented that men make extraordinary efforts to impress women, yet in general have very little understanding of what women actually like. This explains jacked-up trucks, professional chess, professional running, etc EDIT: I'm tal…

I feel like for most competitive activities like this, who you really want to impress is other people who do that same activity. (I play competitive scrabble, for which there is approximately zero recognition in the "outside world", but having your fellow scrabble players recognise your ability counts for a lot.)

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

#52

Would it be possible to get some probability of cheating per player based on how often they play the best moves according to engines in online and live matches?

You need something more sophisticated, otherwise it's easy to confuse high skill and/or well memorised lines with cheating. And a good cheater will be smart enough to either use engine assistance only in difficult spots and/or frequently pick the second/third best moves from the engine.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the point of being a professional runner, when motorbikes exist? People can get enjoyment from doing (and watching) people doing things, even if machines can do it better.

Status-seeking is the reason folks focus on professional running, or professional chess, or any of these very hardcore, very difficult endeavors that have no practical purpose. Someone once commented that men make extraordinary efforts to impress women, yet in general have very little understanding of what women actually like. This explains jacked-up trucks, professional chess, professional running, etc EDIT: I'm tal…

>Someone once commented that men make extraordinary efforts to impress women

You are seriously suggesting that people go pro in X/Y/Z mostly because they want to impress girls? Oo

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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Hikaru talking about the cheating allegation against him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2R--_fBj0 I'll add that he live streamed the tournament he was accused of cheating in. If you've ever watched how fast he moves and quite often pre-moves & talks through his strategy as he goes, it'd be very surprising to see that he cheated (and I don't even know how he'd go about doing so - he's faster than the engines!).

He is not faster than engines.

Maybe not usually, but here's an example when he was faster than stockfish [0]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWghHUcjPZU

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the point of being a professional runner, when motorbikes exist? People can get enjoyment from doing (and watching) people doing things, even if machines can do it better.

Status-seeking is the reason folks focus on professional running, or professional chess, or any of these very hardcore, very difficult endeavors that have no practical purpose. Someone once commented that men make extraordinary efforts to impress women, yet in general have very little understanding of what women actually like. This explains jacked-up trucks, professional chess, professional running, etc EDIT: I'm tal…

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Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

#57
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What's wrong with it?

Hikaru has done multiple videos on why it’s total nonsense, pointing to statisticians from multiple universities that detail the problems in his thinking. In short, he tries to pretend Elo doesn’t exist and there’s no way a top 10 GM could repeatedly defeat FMs and IMs rated 400 points lower.

Ok but that's not what was posted. The OP looks reasonable to me.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

#58

Why do so many chess experts, practitioners and commenters, with varying degrees of familiarity with the chess world, misspell Elo?

Most likely reason is because it doesn't matter, "Elo" stopped being a person long ago, similar to many named streets, cities, states, etc. throughout the world

ELO is just as accurate as Elo when referring to the rating system.

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

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The size of his streaming audience is largely predicated on his perceived skill though. So, he may hypothetically feel pressure to cheat in order to impress his audience.

I'm not sure that translates very linearly. Most of the chess YouTube "stars" are not even GMs. Most of the viewers are hardly good players, so what you can learn from an IM is astronomical. Charisma and good at teaching are much better skills than a 1000 ELO difference imo. To your point, beating Magnus might drag a lot of people to his stream.

That’s right, the most popular content creator on Youtube is an IM and the most popular game analysis channel is by an amateur

Re: Titled Tuesday Cheating

#60

Doesn’t make much sense for Hikaru to cheat. He competes over the board where it’s much harder to cheat, and he makes most of his money through streaming, not through competition results.

But his appeal as a streamer is due to his strength.

The stronger he is, the more his name is listed as the winner, the more viewers he has.

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