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AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by justapassenger »

philwelch wrote: post #84
Spivak wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boiling the ocean type solutions are the same as doing nothing. A better solution would be to make creating such things very illegal and bring down the same wrath we do for CSAM. There is no amount of "mental health" that can protect you against targeted bullying of that magnitude. I really wish we had a universe simulator so you could see how miserably you would fail to survive an environment like that.

If someone AI generated a bunch of nude images of me, I am pretty sure I could survive that. I might even find it amusing. https://x.com/tylerthecreator/status/285670822264307712

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Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by ipaddr »

Spivak wrote: post #78
ipaddr wrote: post #70

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If a naked picture of you is causing you to choose suicide I think we need to fix how society views nudity. The answer isn't to make nudity illegal. We're going to end up blinding ourselves on purpose to avoid seeing our own nudity if we go down your road.

It's not a naked photo. It's 1. Complete loss of privacy and control over your image. 2. Shame and embarrassment, especially in high school where every boy will look at you different and reduce you to a sexual object. 3. Public humiliation -- those photos can and do lead to ridicule and bullying. You're the one who is naked while everyone else is clothed. 4. Destroys self-esteem -- high school is already terrible in…

Some bullies make people feel shameful for getting an `A' in highschool. The humiliation and self-esteem happens. If someone succeeds at a high level others try to bring them down.

The answer isn't to make getting an 'A' illegal.

The answer is to challenge the bullying and to not to allow it to gain power.

Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by Permik »

Spivak wrote: post #78
ipaddr wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a naked picture of you is causing you to choose suicide I think we need to fix how society views nudity. The answer isn't to make nudity illegal. We're going to end up blinding ourselves on purpose to avoid seeing our own nudity if we go down your road.

It's not a naked photo. It's 1. Complete loss of privacy and control over your image. 2. Shame and embarrassment, especially in high school where every boy will look at you different and reduce you to a sexual object. 3. Public humiliation -- those photos can and do lead to ridicule and bullying. You're the one who is naked while everyone else is clothed. 4. Destroys self-esteem -- high school is already terrible in…

It's just a naked photo, you're just describing a broken (social/social hierarchy) system.

Don't hate the players (bully, bullied), hate the game.

Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

#94

Post by anon373839 »

philwelch wrote: post #83
egeozcan wrote: post #29

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Let's focus on trying to raise a mentally healthier generation and take mental illness more seriously, rather than banning / getting rid of all the things that might cause someone (let alone a teenager) to commit suicide (an infinite set).

“Taking mental illness more seriously” is a vague and double edged sword. In the sense that we have been taking mental health more seriously, we have only made it worse, especially with children and teens. It’s normal to feel down or to be anxious sometimes; a lot of kids will pathologize these feelings rather than treating them as ordinary life obstacles to overcome. I agree with the goal of helping kids be more emo…

Well, emotional resilience is mental health. I think the problem with mental health framing is label obsession, rather than thinking of mental health like physical health: something to be maintained through healthy habits.

If you want to be physically healthy, you eat nutritious, balanced foods and get regular exercise and sufficient sleep.

If you want to be mentally healthy, you practice healthy ways to experience and work through your negative feelings rather than trying to avoid or control them. Etc.

Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by [deleted] »

ipaddr wrote: post #92
Spivak wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a naked photo. It's 1. Complete loss of privacy and control over your image. 2. Shame and embarrassment, especially in high school where every boy will look at you different and reduce you to a sexual object. 3. Public humiliation -- those photos can and do lead to ridicule and bullying. You're the one who is naked while everyone else is clothed. 4. Destroys self-esteem -- high school is already terrible in…

Some bullies make people feel shameful for getting an `A' in highschool. The humiliation and self-esteem happens. If someone succeeds at a high level others try to bring them down. The answer isn't to make getting an 'A' illegal. The answer is to challenge the bullying and to not to allow it to gain power.

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Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by a_wild_dandan »

FireInsight wrote: post #82
a_wild_dandan wrote: post #71

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And prevent chat algorithms from expressing free thought. Can't have that. Toxic parents should rebrand their controlling abuse as "alignment." Sounds better.

> And prevent chat algorithms from expressing free thought. What do you mean free thought ? Since when does a data synthesis process create free thought? Is thought even free? Aren't we all constrained by taboo, social norms, the words we have to use, what we know and how, the list goes on...

I’ve always freely expressed my thoughts, but that’s just a personal anecdote from one data synthesis process to another. YMMV. : )

Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by philwelch »

anon373839 wrote: post #94
philwelch wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Taking mental illness more seriously” is a vague and double edged sword. In the sense that we have been taking mental health more seriously, we have only made it worse, especially with children and teens. It’s normal to feel down or to be anxious sometimes; a lot of kids will pathologize these feelings rather than treating them as ordinary life obstacles to overcome. I agree with the goal of helping kids be more emo…

Well, emotional resilience is mental health. I think the problem with mental health framing is label obsession, rather than thinking of mental health like physical health: something to be maintained through healthy habits. If you want to be physically healthy, you eat nutritious, balanced foods and get regular exercise and sufficient sleep. If you want to be mentally healthy, you practice healthy ways to experience a…

You’re completely right, and if “mental health awareness” was what you’re describing, it would be a lot more effective.

Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

#98

Post by Flam »

notadoc wrote: post #20
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #11

I don’t see the issue; either you severely limit your model or you allow all forms of expression and give responsibility to the generator

The latter would be preferred by most, and is most aligned with individualism, but sadly that is not where we are as a society. There are an entire class of people who believe they know what is best for you, about nearly every subject matter, and wish to limit all aspects of technology, life, politics, etc, to suit their superior beliefs.

Alternatively, would you rather a world with 80% functionality safely, or a world with 100% functionality with people you don’t trust doing malicious things?

One is clearly the least worst

Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by logicchains »

Flam wrote: post #98
notadoc wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latter would be preferred by most, and is most aligned with individualism, but sadly that is not where we are as a society. There are an entire class of people who believe they know what is best for you, about nearly every subject matter, and wish to limit all aspects of technology, life, politics, etc, to suit their superior beliefs.

Alternatively, would you rather a world with 80% functionality safely, or a world with 100% functionality with people you don’t trust doing malicious things? One is clearly the least worst

Any image an AI can generate could just as easily be drawn or painted by one of the tens of millions of competent artists in the world.

Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by AYBABTME »

Flam wrote: post #98
notadoc wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latter would be preferred by most, and is most aligned with individualism, but sadly that is not where we are as a society. There are an entire class of people who believe they know what is best for you, about nearly every subject matter, and wish to limit all aspects of technology, life, politics, etc, to suit their superior beliefs.

Alternatively, would you rather a world with 80% functionality safely, or a world with 100% functionality with people you don’t trust doing malicious things? One is clearly the least worst

Actually I'm not sure it's clear which is worse.
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