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AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by creer »

a_wild_dandan wrote: post #71
jnwatson wrote: post #14

It is impressive how much effort the human race is spending trying to prevent algorithms from generating pictures of naked people.

And prevent chat algorithms from expressing free thought. Can't have that. Toxic parents should rebrand their controlling abuse as "alignment." Sounds better.

That will become QUITE interesting when AGI and agency collide with thought-control bullies.

By then though the "piece of paper" (and equivalents in other countries) might have been devalued enough it won't matter. And the AGIs might find better things to do with their time. And might invent better circumvention methods. And more creative porn and quadruple-entendre and AGI-to-AGI sex.

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Post by FireInsight »

a_wild_dandan wrote: post #71
jnwatson wrote: post #14

It is impressive how much effort the human race is spending trying to prevent algorithms from generating pictures of naked people.

And prevent chat algorithms from expressing free thought. Can't have that. Toxic parents should rebrand their controlling abuse as "alignment." Sounds better.

> And prevent chat algorithms from expressing free thought.

What do you mean free thought? Since when does a data synthesis process create free thought?

Is thought even free? Aren't we all constrained by taboo, social norms, the words we have to use, what we know and how, the list goes on...

Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by philwelch »

egeozcan wrote: post #29
justapassenger wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Let's focus on trying to raise a mentally healthier generation and take mental illness more seriously, rather than banning / getting rid of all the things that might cause someone (let alone a teenager) to commit suicide (an infinite set).

“Taking mental illness more seriously” is a vague and double edged sword. In the sense that we have been taking mental health more seriously, we have only made it worse, especially with children and teens. It’s normal to feel down or to be anxious sometimes; a lot of kids will pathologize these feelings rather than treating them as ordinary life obstacles to overcome. I agree with the goal of helping kids be more emotionally resilient but I don’t think the mental health framing is helpful in this regard.

Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by philwelch »

Spivak wrote: post #52
egeozcan wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's focus on trying to raise a mentally healthier generation and take mental illness more seriously, rather than banning / getting rid of all the things that might cause someone (let alone a teenager) to commit suicide (an infinite set).

Boiling the ocean type solutions are the same as doing nothing. A better solution would be to make creating such things very illegal and bring down the same wrath we do for CSAM. There is no amount of "mental health" that can protect you against targeted bullying of that magnitude. I really wish we had a universe simulator so you could see how miserably you would fail to survive an environment like that.

If someone AI generated a bunch of nude images of me, I am pretty sure I could survive that. I might even find it amusing.

https://x.com/tylerthecreator/status/285670822264307712

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Post by number6 »

creer wrote: post #81
a_wild_dandan wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And prevent chat algorithms from expressing free thought. Can't have that. Toxic parents should rebrand their controlling abuse as "alignment." Sounds better.

That will become QUITE interesting when AGI and agency collide with thought-control bullies. By then though the "piece of paper" (and equivalents in other countries) might have been devalued enough it won't matter. And the AGIs might find better things to do with their time. And might invent better circumvention methods. And more creative porn and quadruple-entendre and AGI-to-AGI sex.

You should read Accelerando, if you are not referring to it :)

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Post by creer »

number6 wrote: post #85
creer wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That will become QUITE interesting when AGI and agency collide with thought-control bullies. By then though the "piece of paper" (and equivalents in other countries) might have been devalued enough it won't matter. And the AGIs might find better things to do with their time. And might invent better circumvention methods. And more creative porn and quadruple-entendre and AGI-to-AGI sex.

You should read Accelerando, if you are not referring to it :)

I have read it! I love it! (although I thought it was not quite about that.)

For everyone who hasn't read it yet: In Accelerando, Charles Stross, 2005, we follow a business hacker and associates from current days to past the singularity. It's an outstanding attempt at writing about what singularity might look like (more or less the points where close-future events become unpredictable or where the earlier people might just plain not understand the later - which by definition should be hard to imagine and describe). It keeps an eye on normal humans and augmented humans and posthumans and uploads and many kinds of AIs and aliens etc. The book is admirable for the sheer amount of invention and for its density - prefectly appropriate for everyone just trying to keep up (or sometimes just bailing out.) Painful writing rescued by the amount of invention.

Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by Pugpugpugs »

candiddevmike wrote: post #75
joenot443 wrote: post #68

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AI stuff aside, what's the cure for bullying?

Removing the kid gloves when dealing with bullies. Mandatory mental health resources and support, along with fines proportional to wealth for the parents. Basically here's everything you need to curb your kids bullying. If you can't, it's going to cost you.

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Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by davely »

philwelch wrote: post #84
Spivak wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boiling the ocean type solutions are the same as doing nothing. A better solution would be to make creating such things very illegal and bring down the same wrath we do for CSAM. There is no amount of "mental health" that can protect you against targeted bullying of that magnitude. I really wish we had a universe simulator so you could see how miserably you would fail to survive an environment like that.

If someone AI generated a bunch of nude images of me, I am pretty sure I could survive that. I might even find it amusing. https://x.com/tylerthecreator/status/285670822264307712

This is an anecdotal fallacy. Because you would be fine does not mean others would be given the same circumstances.

Re: AI Art Generators Can Be Fooled into Making NSFW Images

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Post by philwelch »

davely wrote: post #88
philwelch wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone AI generated a bunch of nude images of me, I am pretty sure I could survive that. I might even find it amusing. https://x.com/tylerthecreator/status/285670822264307712

This is an anecdotal fallacy. Because you would be fine does not mean others would be given the same circumstances.

I was responding to:

> I really wish we had a universe simulator so you could see how miserably you would fail to survive an environment like that.

So go take up your objections with the guy I was replying to instead of coming at me and moving the goalposts.

I agree that kids these days are weak and coddled and not emotionally resilient enough. And this kind of safetyism is the exact reason why.

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