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Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by Lazare »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #28

You should not feed the troll. You responding to the "stalker" creates an impression that conversation is going on; and the conversation is not pretty. Instead, you should wipe and ban. Preferably done by site admins, not the victim herself. Of course Kickstarter should unban the victim but only after she agrees to never respond to the stalker on Kickstarter. Instead, report. Nobody would blame you if you don't parti…

Very true. The blog post sort of glossed over Kickstarter's claims that she was engaging with the stalker. Was that part true?

If so, then WTF! It's lunacy to try and engage with someone like the stalker is claimed to be. There's no excuse for doing that, and if Marone was doing so, especially if she was warned by Kickstarter first (unclear), I can't really blame Kickstarter for kicking her off.

Marone needs to completely ignore the stalker, and Kickstarter needs to just filter and ban him as best they can, and leave Marone's projects on Kickstarter alone. Based on the blog post, I'm not quite sure who is actually screwing up here.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by jasonlotito »

Lazare wrote: post #29
jasonlotito wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point. I'm still waiting for proof. In many ways, it's sad and wrong that people are calling for KickStarter to do anything before any shred of proof is provided.

I think it's perfectly justified to call on Kickstarter to do something: namely, to reply to the allegations. If Kickstarter says "hey, this is all wrong", and Ms Marone maintains that the incident did happen, then we can start weighing proof and credibility. Alternatively, if Kickstarter says "oops, our fault, and we're changing our processes", then no proof needs to be supplied. But first, we need to know Kickstart…

That doesn't negate what I said, nor does it change the emotional response in comments above. People are assuming KickStarters guilt already without anything more than a blog post.

Furthermore, I don't believe a company, or anyone, should be held to respond to every claim thrown at them. To prove a negative.

Do not assume that I support KickStarter if the allegations are true. I just don't think it's reasonable to assume guilt and start demanding things.

Let's just say that as of right now, I could say at the OP is merely doing this as a publicity stunt, and she should respond to these allegations, and this would be the exact same thing that is happening here.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by jasonlotito »

djmdjm wrote: post #26

If this is true, then Kickstarter just handed over editorial control to anyone who can write a spambot or with a little patience.

Not true. Again, if the post is true, the requirement would be also for the person to then engage in a discussion with the spammer. We don't know the details regarding that, and will never know. If you are being harassed, report it.

Not sure about you, but if I saw a spammer on my site, and saw two users discussing things back and forth behind the scenes, I might draw the conclusion they are in collusion.

The OP is, after all, an artist, and might have used the spammer to help draw more attention to their situation. That's not unheard of.

It's also fair to say that KickStarter would be fairly negligent if they did* read the messages between two users.

So, once again, unless someone has proof of anything, it's all speculative right now.

Edit: The OP's bio, it says she is a Brand Developer and runs a convention focusing on Radial Performers.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by jtheory »

Monotoko wrote: post #33

One question... whilst the internet has made stalking easier, can't the opposite also be true? It's much easier to shake off a stalker by using a different handle...

I'm sure that's true for many sites -- here, for example -- but on Kickstarter I imagine they have policies about real names. They're going to need your real info anyway (to give you any money you raise), and it seems like a bad idea to let essentially anonymous people collect donations for unverifiable projects.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by facorreia »

siegecraft wrote: post #20

I'm wondering what is the possibility that the cyberstalker is a creation of the "TRANSMEDIA ARTIST, BRAND DEVELOPER, AND FUTURIST"? It certainly fits into those categories. Just speculation.

The way she speaks about the stalker and how they harass everyone she has contact with made me consider the same possibility. She might not even be consciously aware of this.

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

Wow, this is beyond ironic on top of ironic on top of ironic.

The worst part being the nearly top comment on HN being "don't feed the troll".

I'd talk about privilege and the nice ability to "ignore" such "trolls" but I'd be wasting my breath. (which isn't to dismiss the HN community as much as it is to acknowledge that those who get it, get it, and those who don't are probably fortunate enough to not have to)

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by SuperChihuahua »

jasonlotito wrote: post #25
alexandros wrote: post #2

Kickstarter, if you care about your reputation, fix this and make sure it never happens again.

Fix what? Going by what we know , someone has made a claim without anything to back it up. Should we encourage groundless accusations? I'd like to think members of HN would be a bit more intelligent about this sort of thing. Let's try to be a bit more rational about this and not just grab the torches and pitchforks.

Read the emails inserted in the post so they are not groundless

Re: Banned from Kickstarter for Being a Stalking Victim

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Post by illumen »

jasonlotito wrote: post #32
Lazare wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's perfectly justified to call on Kickstarter to do something: namely, to reply to the allegations. If Kickstarter says "hey, this is all wrong", and Ms Marone maintains that the incident did happen, then we can start weighing proof and credibility. Alternatively, if Kickstarter says "oops, our fault, and we're changing our processes", then no proof needs to be supplied. But first, we need to know Kickstart…

That doesn't negate what I said, nor does it change the emotional response in comments above. People are assuming KickStarters guilt already without anything more than a blog post. Furthermore, I don't believe a company, or anyone, should be held to respond to every claim thrown at them. To prove a negative. Do not assume that I support KickStarter if the allegations are true. I just don't think it's reasonable to as…

The Kickstarter corporation is big enough and bad enough to stand up for itself without anyone having to attack the victim.
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