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Post by jimmydorry »

mattashii wrote: post #380
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #370

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This kind of reasoning is perfect if you want to halt all future innovation. Why would someone advance the state of the art in any device if the immediate result is attacks for the new device being a "monopoly" within the scope of the new device or improvements?

What? Aren't AMD, ARM, and Intel advancing the state of the art of CPUs because they have open platforms, and have no monopoly or gatekeeper position on what software can run on their platform? I can't see why you would be unable to advance the state of the art if you don't block (thus allow) everyone from building on your platform.

What about fridges, toasters, smart TVs, playstations, watches, etc.

All devices made with purpose in-mind and only allow the manufacturer's firmware to be installed and are not "open platforms". In the case of smart TVs and many game consoles, you have a direct comparison to phones as they have a single app store with no competitors allowed on their platform.

Should all of these single purpose decives have to bare the burden and cost of opening up their platform for competitors too?

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Post by Ferret7446 »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #339
stefs wrote: post #322

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the app store is the monopoly. afaik there's no other way to get apps on your apple device.

You are free to buy a non-Apple phone... because Apple does not have a monopoly.

Whether or not it is a monopoly is a red herring, since being a monopoly is not illegal. Abusing a dominant position in a marketplace is. Apple has dominance in the Apple app marketplace, which they could theoretically abuse by discriminating against competitors. Thus, it is in their interest to be transparent about how they're managing their app store.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by VHRanger »

_just7_ wrote: post #9
Namari wrote: post #6

In this case, where does this money goes? Is it refunded to the people who bought the apps or is it litterally stolen by Apple?

Held in deposit forever, ie until someone sues someone else or the money are forgotten

That goes to Apple then.

The accounting liability gets erased after a few years and the asset stays on the books

Like Starbucks gift cards that go unused.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by quitit »

Guvante wrote: post #366
quitit wrote: post #220

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I'm making a pretty valid point(note Android's outsized malware share) and we'll get to see it play out next year in the EU. It's interesting to me that your core argument is about making a choice whether or not to embrace side-loading and 3rd party app stores. However aren't users making this choice when they buy the phone to begin with. Side loading and 3rd party app stores aren't a secret, many Android manufacture…

I like how you call users dumb for choosing Apple and clever for wanting to sideload. Or how else do you claim there is two sides here? Pretending that Apple is protecting consumers is silly, they have repeatedly said internally the lock is for revenue alone. No claim of security protection has lasted past "wouldn't sideloaded apps be sandboxed the same as App Store apps and thus have the same security overall"? (App…

>I like how you call users dumb for choosing Apple and clever for wanting to sideload.

That's clearly not what is written, don't invent a false narrative with your lack of comprehension skills.

Also going to need a citation for this beauty:

>"they [apple] have repeatedly said internally the lock is for revenue alone"

But judging from your reading skills earlier, I don't have confidence in it being forthcoming.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by judge2020 »

janc_ wrote: post #384
quitit wrote: post #211

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I hear your argument, but it's not convincing. Your logic states that because an app can occasionally slip through the review process, that we should remove -all- protections. That isn't better, that's worse. A scam is also a relatively low bar to set for such drastic change, since scams also frequently occur over chat apps and the kinds of access that side-loading and 3rd party stores can avail opens the door to sig…

About 99.9% of apps in the Google Play Store contain spyware (and I doubt it's much better in Apple's store?).

There's a difference between spyware and a library that sends the company usage details about how you use their app. Even apps with ads are only forbidden from using bespoke APIs (other than the built-in prompt "allow " to track you across other apps and websites) to track users' activity and correlate it with other sessions.

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Post by judge2020 »

Guvante wrote: post #366
quitit wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm making a pretty valid point(note Android's outsized malware share) and we'll get to see it play out next year in the EU. It's interesting to me that your core argument is about making a choice whether or not to embrace side-loading and 3rd party app stores. However aren't users making this choice when they buy the phone to begin with. Side loading and 3rd party app stores aren't a secret, many Android manufacture…

I like how you call users dumb for choosing Apple and clever for wanting to sideload. Or how else do you claim there is two sides here? Pretending that Apple is protecting consumers is silly, they have repeatedly said internally the lock is for revenue alone. No claim of security protection has lasted past "wouldn't sideloaded apps be sandboxed the same as App Store apps and thus have the same security overall"? (App…

It sounds like the poster means that people who buy one or the other are choosing between either "(nearly) absolute" security or freedom in being able to install software without the manufacturer's consent.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by judge2020 »

waprin wrote: post #212
quitit wrote: post #175

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This sounds like a fair point until remembering that things like Boss-ware exist. An insurer/ health insurer, employer, government, etc will require it, and just like that the "just don't use them" crowd will hold up their hands and pretend that no one could have imagined this disaster. If the problem is truly Apple exhibiting favouritism or limiting competition through their app approval process: then the EU should…

If you’re required to install software on your phone for work then your employer should be legally required to pay for your phone. And then if you want your own phone you pay for it yourself. And if your employers IT team lets corporate devices get malware that’s on them. This is a weird edge case to get hung up on. You’re making a very simple issue way more complicated than it needs to be. Having Apple spin out EU s…

> If you’re required to install software on your phone for work then your employer should be legally required to pay for your phone. And then if you want your own phone you pay for it yourself. And if your employers IT team lets corporate devices get malware that’s on them. This is a weird edge case to get hung up on.

I'll support any sideloading regulation that includes all of these protections. As it stands this is only a law in some countries/regions and certainly not something everyone will be protected by if they happen to be outside of EU (and maybe US) jurisdiction.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by Aeolun »

terminous wrote: post #239
munk-a wrote: post #198

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If Apple isn't able to police this then maybe it's unhealthy for the market to be completely controlled by them. They make billions off the AppStore and their refusal to reinvest in proper moderation (especially for an app worth hundreds of thousands in revenue) is quite telling.

This isn't an Apple problem, it's a problem with every business review platform. If a shady marketing firm takes a contract to give an app fake 5 star reviews, there's no way for the review platform to know if that shady marketing firm was hired by the app's developer or their competitor. Only the marketing firm knows.

Then maybe they shouldn’t use fake reviews as a heuristic for termination?

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by type0 »

DelightOne wrote: post #245
terminous wrote: post #239

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This isn't an Apple problem, it's a problem with every business review platform. If a shady marketing firm takes a contract to give an app fake 5 star reviews, there's no way for the review platform to know if that shady marketing firm was hired by the app's developer or their competitor. Only the marketing firm knows.

Except that Apple ist the gatekeeper here.

Apple engages in a lot of anti-competitive practices. I think in the case of App Store it's called captive supply, it is detrimental for both users and developers but good for Apple

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_supply

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