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Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by moralestapia »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #148
moralestapia wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You answered to the wrong comment maybe? Because that is not money laundering.

> that is not money laundering I’m willingly jumping into a hornet’s nest, but out of genuine curiosity, why?

Money laundering is not "making money through illicit means" as many people confuse it with. Money laundering is the act of concealing that money, so that it becomes clean money in the face of any curious observer. They often go hand in hand but they are different things.

An example, you have 1M cash but you need it in your bank account, because you want to buy a house or a car or groceries. If you just go to your bank with 1M in a briefcase a lot of people are going to ask you "where did that money came from?". But if you do ???? and you have a legit (or legit enough) excuse for that, you may get away with it and now you can use your money and people think you're a mastermind entrepreneur or something.

There's a reason why the first money launderers were laundromats and similar businesses, anything with plausible cash flow, because then you can go to the bank and tell them "I just run a very successful laundry business, and that's why I have a big bunch of $10 and $20 bills, some of them may have a bit of blood in them, though". Much more complex ways exist but the gist of it is this.

If you take legit money from someone's bank account, move it through Apple, then send it to Chile(?), then take it out(?) that's literally the opposite of what you'd like to achieve, hence why this argument is so absurd.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by ponector »

nmilo wrote: post #82
slezyr wrote: post #43

Russian guy saying that he is in Chile in the first sentence? Absolutely nothing suspicious. https://companies.rbc.ru/id/1215600010141-obschestvo-s-ogran... It is even a Russian company. It was registered a bit before the war started and liquidated not so long ago.

This is literally just racism.

Governments everywhere along the globe are enforcing discriminatory rules based on passport and/or birthplace.

And everyone is ok with such "racism".

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by jholman »

moralestapia wrote: post #142
quickthrowman wrote: post #128

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It sounds like you have no idea what money laundering actually is, to be honest. Money laundering is concealing the source of illegally obtained money. You use stolen credit cards to buy gift cards (or just defraud people to obtain gift cards). This is dirty money . You pay it to yourself on the App Store by getting an app listed and buying it. Apple then deposits money (minus their 30% cut) in your bank account, whi…

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Wait, your argument is

"this suspension by Apple couldn't be due to Apple catching them laundering money"

because

"this isn't money laundering"

because

"if someone laundered money this way, they would get caught"?

Do you not understand that you just destroyed your own argument?

And I have inside knowledge that you're wrong at least much of the time. This particular case, I have no idea, but extremely competent teams inside FAANG believe that there are many billions of dollars of attempted money laundering of this form, that they catch and stop.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

lolinder wrote: post #95

I get that everyone feels strongly about abuse of power by these app stores, but I wish stories like this would stop making it to the front page. Often, the company trying to build outrage knows very well what they've done and is lying to try to get a mob going to get what they want. The pattern is usually the same: the story gets a lot of upvotes from people who don't pause to think about the story, the first few co…

Submit a few iOS apps and you will understand why these stories rank so high.

Apple makes you feel powerless

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by quitit »

Manuel_D wrote: post #106
judge2020 wrote: post #98

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One of the main draws of iOS is its resistance to malware, adware, and outright scam apps. Requiring third party app stores disproportionately harms those that purchased the device specifically for these purposes (such as people at higher risks of being targeted by nation state actors). And this isn’t something that can be addressed with a new uber-secure product just for these people, because the EU will deem it a g…

Just don't use the third party app store if you're worried about scams. Requiring that apple permit 3rd party app stores does not force users to use said 3rd part stores.

This sounds like a fair point until remembering that things like Boss-ware exist.

An insurer/ health insurer, employer, government, etc will require it, and just like that the "just don't use them" crowd will hold up their hands and pretend that no one could have imagined this disaster.

If the problem is truly Apple exhibiting favouritism or limiting competition through their app approval process: then the EU should have just forced them to spin it out into an independent entity for the EU stores, or even take control of it themselves - but they didn't and 2024/25 is going to be a shitshow for it.

Legislating for side loading and multiple app stores is the least imaginative and most obviously flawed approach to the competition problem and the sole reason why Android's share of malware is staggering in comparison to iOS.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by ponector »

nmilo wrote: post #155
mlyle wrote: post #114

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No, attempting to prevent money from flowing into a country which is actively waging war against neighbors is not racism.

You're right actually, I forgot all Russians share a bank account with Putin.

Every person who use russian currency is sharing accounts with putin. Every transaction is taxed with VAT, which goes to support government and war.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by paranoidrobot »

waihtis wrote: post #139
echelon wrote: post #80

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> I guess the App Store fraud prevention team hasn’t necessarily found a good solution yet. The most essential device of the century is owned by two companies. The ability for them to completely control software and business activities on top of something that is almost as essential as public transportation is appalling. The DOJ needs to remove the "app store" racket for essential computing devices. Software needs to…

It's not in the interest of the DOJ to do so - 95% of people are technologically completely inept and it would expose them to fraud, malware and such at unprecedented scale

I don't see how this follows.

Android phones can have alternate appstores, and yet we don't see widespread malware, fraud etc from that.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by lupusreal »

graemep wrote: post #150
judge2020 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the main draws of iOS is its resistance to malware, adware, and outright scam apps. Requiring third party app stores disproportionately harms those that purchased the device specifically for these purposes (such as people at higher risks of being targeted by nation state actors). And this isn’t something that can be addressed with a new uber-secure product just for these people, because the EU will deem it a g…

No one has to use third party app stores. Android allows third party app stores and it is not a significant cause of problems. I am sure there must be some bad app stores out there, but the well known ones like F-Droid are probably better curated than Google's own. Linux has always allowed third party repositories. Again, rarely a source of problems - again, there must be some bad things out there but the percentage…

Exactly. Apple refuses to allow third party appstores like F-Droid because they know appstores like F-Droid would make Apple look bad and thus break the mental conditioning Apple has on their customers. Apple's appstores is filled with ripoffs and scams; F-Droid isn't.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by KennyBlanken »

aaomidi wrote: post #19
beeboobaa wrote: post #14

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It's apple punishing you for their own failure to moderate the reviews posted to their store, which they're charging you $100+30% to access.

Considering how much data Apple also has on their users, it’s insane that they haven’t yet solved this problem.

What are you on about? Apple collects substantially less data about their users than anyone else.
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