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Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by libraryatnight »

okr wrote: post #37
underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

I've been able to disable most of the things I do not like on win11 pro, so far, but if it weren't for how much I use Ableton I would be all in on Linux at this point.

If anybody knows anyone at Ableton, please tell them to do a Linux edition :P

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by vetinari »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #229
bryanlarsen wrote: post #225

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Does a poor filesystem count as part of the kernel? In my experience, Windows file systems are the main source of Windows underperformance.

Funny, I just went back and edited my comment to add in filesystem where I didn't have it before and then saw your reply. Because, yes, NTFS is just slow as hell. I have never been clear why but as I said elsewhere, various *nix filesystems have always outperformed it. I understand that on paper NTFS was technically superior back when Linux was stuck with ext2 & ext3 as standard, but in practice it just made for a re…

Have you ever seen IFS (Installable File System) SDK for Windows and the associated documentation? And then compared that, for example to linux vfs?

No wonder that so few people tried. They can spend their time on something simpler, like on building a highway bridge to Hawaii or something.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by whalesalad »

jklinger410 wrote: post #247
whalesalad wrote: post #193

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Brother we have known this for years.

That's good to know! Is there any formal proof of said theory? Like what is this analytics layer called, and is the tunneling something that devs are aware of? Just interested in putting some names to this theory so I don't sound like a loon when I try and describe it.

Oh it's definitely still a theory - but we've collectively proven it through our anecdotal experiences over the last 20+ years of using Windows.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by kstrauser »

underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

My personal experience has that Windows is easier to get up and running as long as I want to use it as-designed. Getting off that happy path turns into a fiasco for me. I'm sure a lot of my difficulties would be trivial to fix for Windows expert, but I'm not one.

For me, it's way easier to bend Linux to my will.

(I'm typing this on a Mac. I spent my first months on a Mac trying to make it act like my Linux desktop, and hated it. Then I decided to try a month doing everything the Mac way instead, and ended up loving it. Go figure.)

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by [deleted] »

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #55
okr wrote: post #37

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No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

> And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? You actually can, it's just they don't expose most of it to the user. However people have built tools [1] that give you a pretty UI to manage those more complex configs and apply them to windows. Bonus points in that you can use all the old windows UI elements from previous versions of windows and mix and match them as you choose. Honestly I couldn't tolerate Wi…

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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by jorvi »

unsungNovelty wrote: post #171
jorvi wrote: post #113

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Arch is terrible due to their bare testing package release policy. Generally accepted recommends: - Windows converts: Mint - General: Fedora / PopOS - Rolling: Suse Tumbleweed - Config fanatics: Nix - Minimalistic fanatics: Void / Alpine

> Arch is terrible due to their bare testing package release policy. It is NOT. This is biggest mystery I have about people's perception about Arch Linux. Arch provides latest upstream stable packages unlike point releases. NOT developer branches of packages BUT STABLE versions of package as soon as it is available. Point releases like ubuntu gives you old versions of software. And backport security patches against t…

> It is NOT.

It is.

Arch has an explicit policy that if there are breaking issues with a package, they will push it regardless and it is your task to read about these yourself in the package update/release messages.

No sane person is going to do that for the many many packages that their system is comprised of.

SUSE holds fresh packages for a little bit and puts them through a more rigorous testing process, before pushing them onto Tumbeleweed. This leads to much much less breakage.

Maybe you aren't aware, but Tumbleweed is also a rolling distro. This is why I specifically mention it as a replacement for Arch.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by partitioned »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #233
partitioned wrote: post #216

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"Apart from a majority of graphics cards it's a non-issue"

Surely a majority of graphics cards are the integrated Intel and AMD ones. Nvidia maybe has a majority of the high-end ones.

Fair enough! My desktop bias shows again

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by vetinari »

anthk wrote: post #195
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #177

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> If Microsoft backs off core Windows development, which it certainly seems like they are, this is what we'd expect to see... If this is really true, I am deeply saddened. I grew up using almost entirely nothing but Windows since 98, and have used every version (except Windows Me) since. As a desktop and enterprise OS, Windows is pretty fantastic to develop with, natively , contrary to many opinions here. Technologie…

Linux supports ACL's, too, but they are not enabled by default. On plug and play, Linux won by a mile by default, as the kernel has much better support than Windows 10 which often has to connect itself to Windows Update. On COM/.Net, today almost nobody cares. Modern ad-hoc built small-medium Corporateware it's bound to Java as a Hellish curse, and on the rest of the maket here just Direct3D matters; but not as much…

> Linux supports ACL's, too, but they are not enabled by default.

Oh, it is, just nobody bothers (chances are, `getfacl .` in your homedir will succeed). They are also POSIX ACLs, not NT ACLs, so they have slightly different behavior.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by throw555chip »

OPA100 wrote: post #259
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #236

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> And yet, users don't convert to Linux. So there must be other reasons, and performance benefits don't seem to work so far. For enterprise desktop purposes: One central reason is that there is no Excel for GNU/Linux. Accept it or not: the workflows of lots of departments are deeply intertwined with Excel (and it would take an insane amount of work to replace Excel by some other spreadsheet application). Another impo…

We run thousands of Linux desktop workstations from low-end workstations for developers to dual-socket machines with >1TB of memory at work. That's primarily because productivity for our use cases is so much higher with a Linux/Unix environment than Windows that it's not even remotely funny. However, almost all users still have either the standard corporate-issue Windows laptop, or a Windows VM on their workstation.…

As a dev, wish I worked there, IBM was the only other place I worked where many devs and even a few thousand ordinary users like marketing, ran Linux. Also, I wasn't aware RedHat removed KDE, what an odd and crappy move. KDE rocks. Gnome not. RPM based distros sooner or later corrupt themselves, I run and recommend Ubuntu or Kubuntu (for KDE people), with Snap disabled with a small apt preferences file.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by jorvi »

jmnicolas wrote: post #194
jorvi wrote: post #113

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Arch is terrible due to their bare testing package release policy. Generally accepted recommends: - Windows converts: Mint - General: Fedora / PopOS - Rolling: Suse Tumbleweed - Config fanatics: Nix - Minimalistic fanatics: Void / Alpine

Why not a stable distro with KDE for Windows convert? KDE is the closest thing that looks like Windows.

Linux Mint also looks pretty close to Windows, and they seem to explicitly try to accommodate Windows-experienced folks, with a lot of preinstalled tools and a similar UX.

I run NixOS with KDE on both my desktop and laptop, and whilst it is closer to Windows than Gnome is, its not as close as Mint, or rather, Cinnamon. KDE looks close to Windows with the default UI, but the UX differences are more noticeable.

Another good distro for Windows users would be Zorin, with their Windows layout.

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