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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by renegat0x0 »

J_Shelby_J wrote: post #205
jerf wrote: post #70

If Microsoft backs off core Windows development, which it certainly seems like they are, this is what we'd expect to see... not a big bang where it suddenly stops working, but every year it'll just sort of fall a bit more behind Linux, until in 4 or 5 years the difference consensus will slowly just creep over to Windows being noticeably worse than Linux without any big bang switchover... and it'll sneak up on Microso…

IMO, once Adobe comes to linux, or they lose their position in the industry to competitors, we will see the shift. And the main reason is Apple doesn't support Nvidia. There are limits to what you can accomplish editing videos without a beefy GPU, so you're trapped on windows if you're using adobe premier. I mean, games like Valorant require anti-cheat root kits will still keep us on Windows forever, but those are ed…

Adobe is not the only problem. Hardware support, codecs, media support. It all just does not work that well, and I think will not work well for a long period of time.

Video editing for years have not been an option for Linux.

Sure there are programs, but they often crash, often encode x times slower than corporate paid crapware.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by CapsAdmin »

hannofcart wrote: post #210
jerf wrote: post #70

If Microsoft backs off core Windows development, which it certainly seems like they are, this is what we'd expect to see... not a big bang where it suddenly stops working, but every year it'll just sort of fall a bit more behind Linux, until in 4 or 5 years the difference consensus will slowly just creep over to Windows being noticeably worse than Linux without any big bang switchover... and it'll sneak up on Microso…

> To be honest, Linux as a desktop environment is already more usable than many people realize. This will be true once the stability of graphics drivers on Linux improves. On every major kernel update, I am always bracing for everything going blank because of driver issues.

You may have a good specific point, but I think people will always say "once X is fixed people will switch to Linux".

When windows users try Linux for the first time, they'll (rightfully) point out problems, while their Linux friend will just say "oh that's normal, you just have to do Y" and the exact same thing would be true in the reverse situation.

Some people are just more tolerant to being in an unpredictable environment than others. I find myself highly tolerant to noise, unpredictability and things breaking. Of course I have my limits, but when comparing myself to my best friend, he will literally have none of it (he's a macos user)

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by renegat0x0 »

unsungNovelty wrote: post #204

Is it OK to just mention a common misconception which is still prelevant about Linux? Rolling releases provides STABLE verions of software/packages. It is NOT "bleeding edge" since it is NOT a development branch. It is the latest stable version provided by the upstream (developer/cretors of the software). Point release comes from a time where we didn't have continous development. We didn't have these faster updates.…

Had arch Linux 3 times. Each time was ended with some update problem. This is not definition of stable.

This has not happened on debian yet.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by trey-jones »

chx wrote: post #53
noir_lord wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Perhaps I should have chosen another flavor? That'll ignite a holy war. The trick with linux isn't to learn the flavour, it's to learn linux - once you get an overview of how all the bits work then switching distro is (much) more straightforward. Ubuntu is an excellent first choice because it's one of the major distro's so you'll be able to google stuff more easily. My personal recommendation would be Fedora (and i…

Where do I learn modern desktop Linux? I am using it on servers since 1993 and used for desktop 2004-2017 (and was very unhappy with it) so my desktop knowledge is severely outdated.

I'm not sure what there is to learn, if you have a good working knowledge of Linux servers. This is exactly why I prefer the terminal to any of the GUI components that may exist. Much more stable interface. As far as programs that I use daily, other than a few obscure VPN clients, I've rarely, if ever, needed anything that I couldn't find on AUR. For that reason and for reasons of having up-to-date software available, I like something in the Arch family for Desktop use. On the other hand, .deb packages are often available for more obscure software like those VPN clients...

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by throw555chip »

robertlagrant wrote: post #187
gred wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting thought, but you might be missing the hardware perspective. I switched from Windows to Linux this year, and the biggest issue has been drivers and hardware compatibility: audio available via headphones but not (laptop) built-in speakers, occasional display issues depending on the monitor setup, occasional WiFi issues. If hardware innovation stopped, Linux could catch up easily... but it won't, so there is…

Agreed. I have a Linux computer upstairs, and the Wifi dongle (I know, but it's fine!) broke. Buying a new one, or even knowing what to buy, that doesn't require me to USB key some random drivers (probably cloned off GitHub) is a tricky task.

I have a mix of systems, have had for several decades, Linux works on all of them, old and new, no issues, seems odd what you're saying, almost like it was entirely made up.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by throw555chip »

anotherhue wrote: post #203
robertlagrant wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I have a Linux computer upstairs, and the Wifi dongle (I know, but it's fine!) broke. Buying a new one, or even knowing what to buy, that doesn't require me to USB key some random drivers (probably cloned off GitHub) is a tricky task.

The rpi forums have a lot of experience with this.

RPI has crap, buy Dell, HP or Lenovo.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by jklinger410 »

whalesalad wrote: post #193
jklinger410 wrote: post #188

Tangent I have this suspicion that Windows has basically a layer of analytics tracking over the top of the DE that slows the system for most desktop uses, and that they essentially "tunnel" through that layer when a program actually needs the performance. Like gaming or exporting a video project. This is why Windows is able to benchmark high for specific tasks, but for overall usage it feels very slow compared to eve…

Brother we have known this for years.

That's good to know! Is there any formal proof of said theory? Like what is this analytics layer called, and is the tunneling something that devs are aware of? Just interested in putting some names to this theory so I don't sound like a loon when I try and describe it.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by throw555chip »

hannofcart wrote: post #210
jerf wrote: post #70

If Microsoft backs off core Windows development, which it certainly seems like they are, this is what we'd expect to see... not a big bang where it suddenly stops working, but every year it'll just sort of fall a bit more behind Linux, until in 4 or 5 years the difference consensus will slowly just creep over to Windows being noticeably worse than Linux without any big bang switchover... and it'll sneak up on Microso…

> To be honest, Linux as a desktop environment is already more usable than many people realize. This will be true once the stability of graphics drivers on Linux improves. On every major kernel update, I am always bracing for everything going blank because of driver issues.

I've used nvidia for close to 2 decades on various PC hardware machines, desktops to laptops, Dell, HP, Lenovo and nvidia (binary drivers in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu distribution) work 100%. Zero issues. Old and new machines. Very odd eh?

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by lordnacho »

planede wrote: post #213
hannofcart wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To be honest, Linux as a desktop environment is already more usable than many people realize. This will be true once the stability of graphics drivers on Linux improves. On every major kernel update, I am always bracing for everything going blank because of driver issues.

Apart from Nvidia, this feels like a non-issue for me nowadays.

People want to game, and a lot of gamers want Nvidia. The driver may or may not work, but if it has a reputation for maybe not working, people will decide against it.

It also possible that people who find out the Nvidia cards are unreliable on Linux are making decisions over other systems where this shouldn't be such a big deal.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by UrineSqueegee »

jerf wrote: post #70

If Microsoft backs off core Windows development, which it certainly seems like they are, this is what we'd expect to see... not a big bang where it suddenly stops working, but every year it'll just sort of fall a bit more behind Linux, until in 4 or 5 years the difference consensus will slowly just creep over to Windows being noticeably worse than Linux without any big bang switchover... and it'll sneak up on Microso…

im sorry but if you have the slightest knowledge of how anything works you know that this is a fantasy land scenario.
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