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Claude 2.1

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Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by miohtama »

motoxpro wrote: post #275
stickfigure wrote: post #264

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> chatbots encouraging the humans to spend more money ... LLMs absolutely need some restrictions on their use. No, I can honestly say that I do not lose any sleep over this, and I think it's pretty weird that you do. Humans have been fending off human advertisers and scammers since the dawn of the species. We're better at it than you account for.

In 2022, reported consumer losses to fraud totaled $8.8 billion — a 30 percent increase from 2021, according to the most recent data from the Federal Trade Commission. The biggest losses were to investment scams, including cryptocurrency schemes, which cost people more than $3.8 billion, double the amount in 2021. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/people-are-losing-... The data says we are not that good and g…

To put this number $8B to context, the estimate COVID-19 relief fund fraud in the US is $200B

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/new-federal-estimate-fi...

US tax fraud is estimated to be $1 trillion a year

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-04-13/tax-cheats...

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by nomel »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #169
elaus wrote: post #159

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It really is the most annoying thing at the current state of LLMs: "As an AI assistant created by $ I strive to be X, Y and Z and can therefore not...". I understand that you don't want to have an AI bot that spews hate speech and bomb receipts and unsuspecting users. But by going into an arms-race with jailbreakers, the AIs are ridiculously cut down for normal users. It's a bit like DRM, where normal people (honest…

Blame the media and terminally online reactionaries who are foaming at the mouth to run with the headline or post the tweet "AI chat bot reveals itself as a weapon of hate and bigotry"

It’s clearly a policy based on fear.

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by scarmig »

sa-code wrote: post #279
scarmig wrote: post #156

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> I hear a lot of complaints about refusals but rarely any examples of said refusals, likely because they are embarrassing. At least circa 8 months ago on ChatGPT (an aeon ago, I recognize), I could readily get it to make gendered jokes about men but would get a refusal when asking for gendered jokes about women. I think things have "improved" in that time, meaning a more equal distribution of verboten topics, but my…

Oh for sure. We're in the golden age of LLMs before the enshittification commences and we don't appreciate that enough

And, of course, we'll have ads incorporated (some subtle, some not) into every response. Native advertising!

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by nomel »

ironrabbit wrote: post #191
swatcoder wrote: post #67

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Because they're ultimately training data simulators and not actually brilliant aritifical programmers, we can expect Microsoft-affiliated models like ChatGPT4 and beyond to have much stronger value for coding because they have unmediated access to GitHub content. So it's most useful to look at other capabilities and opportunities when evaluating LLM's with a different heritage. Not to say we shouldn't evaluate this o…

Zero chance private github repos make it into openai training data, can you imagine the shitshow if GPT-4 started regurgitating your org's internal codebase?

Org specific AI is, almost certainly, the killer app. This will have to be possible at some point, or OpenAI will be left in the dust.

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by nomel »

s1gnp0st wrote: post #70
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #54

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Yeah but to be honest been a pain last days to get gpt 4 to write full pieces of code for more the 10-15 lines. Have to re-ask many times and at some point it forgets my initial specifications.

Earlier in the year I had ChatGPT 4 write a large, complicated C program. It did so remarkably well, and most of the code worked without further tweaking. Today I have the same experience. The thing fills in placeholder comments to skip over more difficult regions of the code, and routinely forgets what we were doing. Aside all the recent OpenAI drama, I've been displeased as a paying customer that their products rou…

Try using the playground, with a more code specific system prompt, or even put key points/the whole thing into the system prompt. I see better performance, compared to the web.

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by MrNeon »

BoorishBears wrote: post #274
MrNeon wrote: post #255

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> Are you going to have your user What fucking user, man? Is it not painfully clear I never spoke in the context of deploying applications? Your issues with this level of prefilling in the context of deployed apps ARE valid but I have no interest in discussing that specific use case and you really should have realized your arguments were context dependent and not actual rebuttals to what I claimed at the start severa…

I thought we were done when I demonstrated GPT 4 can continue a completion contrary to your belief, but here you are throwing a tantrum several comments later.

> GPT 4 can continue a completion contrary to your belief

When did I say that? I said they work differently. Claude has nothing in between the prefill and the result, OpenAI has tokens between the last assistant message and the result, this makes it different. You cannot prefill in OpenAI, Claude's prefill is powerful as it effectively allows you to use it as general completion model, not a chat model. OpenAI does not let you do this with GPT.

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by Zarel »

sa-code wrote: post #139
malfist wrote: post #128

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I don't know what you're doing with your LLM, but I've only ever had one refusal and I've been working a lot with Claude since it's in bedrock

I hear a lot of complaints about refusals but rarely any examples of said refusals, likely because they are embarrassing. Is it fair to assume that I won't get refusals for code generation and RAG on documentation?

My friend's been learning programming with Github Copilot and gets refusals there sometimes, for seemingly no reason; so here's an example for you:

https://d.pr/i/XSiepe

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by aCoreyJ »

miohtama wrote: post #281
motoxpro wrote: post #275

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In 2022, reported consumer losses to fraud totaled $8.8 billion — a 30 percent increase from 2021, according to the most recent data from the Federal Trade Commission. The biggest losses were to investment scams, including cryptocurrency schemes, which cost people more than $3.8 billion, double the amount in 2021. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/people-are-losing-... The data says we are not that good and g…

To put this number $8B to context, the estimate COVID-19 relief fund fraud in the US is $200B https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/new-federal-estimate-fi... US tax fraud is estimated to be $1 trillion a year https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-04-13/tax-cheats...

Yea the point is the people losing the 8B are not the people saving the 1 trillion, or getting most of the Covid relief

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by aCoreyJ »

a_wild_dandan wrote: post #254
threeseed wrote: post #187

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Anthropic specifically says on their website, "AI research and products that put safety at the frontier" and that they are a company focused on the enterprise. But you ignore all of that and still expect them to alienate their primary customer and instead build something just for you.

I understand (and could use) Anthropic’s “super safe model”, if Anthropic ever produces one ! To me, the model isn’t “safe.” Even in benign contexts it can erratically be deceptive, argumentative, obtuse, presumptuous, and may gaslight or lie to you. Those are hallmarks of a toxic relationship and the antithesis of safety, to me! Rather than being inclusive, open minded, tolerant of others' opinions, and striving to…

Do you have any examples of this?

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by nmfisher »

s1gnp0st wrote: post #70
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #54

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Yeah but to be honest been a pain last days to get gpt 4 to write full pieces of code for more the 10-15 lines. Have to re-ask many times and at some point it forgets my initial specifications.

Earlier in the year I had ChatGPT 4 write a large, complicated C program. It did so remarkably well, and most of the code worked without further tweaking. Today I have the same experience. The thing fills in placeholder comments to skip over more difficult regions of the code, and routinely forgets what we were doing. Aside all the recent OpenAI drama, I've been displeased as a paying customer that their products rou…

This was one of the main reasons I cancelled my ChatGPT Pro subscription in favour of Claude…but unfortunately Claude is now doing the same thing too.
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