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Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Post by raincole »

__loam wrote: post #166
raincole wrote: post #19

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I think at one point Krita will fork to two apps because of this exact reason. AI-based tools are clearly the next step of painting apps (to me at least, but I can't be the only one who believes in this). I think in 3~5 years an painting app without AI generation feature is just like a painting app without pen pressure today. It's still usable, you can make great art with it if you have the skill, but it will be so o…

I think you don't know a lot of people in the art community if you think this. Good to see Krita standing with the people who actually use their tools.

I work in game dev and I kinda witnessed how photobashing went from "cheating" to "ok if for very early concept or internal usage" to the standard process among 2D artists.

AI tools will be much more artist-oriented than they currently are. You will be able to control parameters like denoise strength with your stylus pressure. LoRAs and prompt templates will be listed in a gallery like PS's neural filters. You will be able to preview colored thumbnails that generated by control net as you sketch in near real-time.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Post by Affric »

hutzlibu wrote: post #126
southerntofu wrote: post #109

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> "As far as I know there's a sizeable number of devs who don't intend to ever rely on copilot" I'm one of those. I've been programming for a while now and there's no way i'm gonna trust a neural network with my code. Debugging is painful enough without having to deal with subtle bugs hallucinated by ML. Some machines are really useful to reduce human suffering and augment our collective capabilities. Some machines a…

"So yes AI can reduce work, but arguably work that was never required nor beneficial to humanity to begin with" Hm, just a suggestion, I would be careful with such statements, if you don't want to insult peoples work you know nothing about. Because LLMs enable a very broad spectrum of work. I don't use them in my current workflow(nor am I that easily insulted), but the times I did use them, they were useful. My probl…

I think to a large extent this is correct but, being the devils advocate, perhaps if the GIS tool were better then your friend wouldn’t have had quite as big a gain in free time?

Answering my own question somewhat, I think that LLMs are becoming a kind UI layer over many applications/tools for many users. Which is interesting. And in some ways they show signs of fulfilling the promise of AI.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Post by OOPMan »

radlad wrote: post #216
bheadmaster wrote: post #124

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> Is that really a thing? Yes. I'm a Vim user with 100 WPM typing speed, and I can say with confidence that Copilot isn't that useful to me. Typing boilerplate is not an issue - understanding what I wrote is most of the work. And having an AI spew code that I have to read is more work for me than just writing it myself.

Just as a data point counter to yours, I'm a Vim user with a 150+ wpm typing speed, and I have to say I find Copilot massively useful. In Go, it's great for dealing with a lot of the repetitive code one finds themselves writing. When writing Android apps, it's useful for API discovery!

Are you guys seriously involved in a WPM pissing contest?

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Post by whelp_24 »

boppo1 wrote: post #196
ajuc wrote: post #165

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Would you object to somebody looking at your images and imitating the style? How is AI different?

>Would you object to somebody looking at your images and imitating the style? Yes. It's quite difficult to do so, however. The people capable usually have better things to do with their skills.

The claim that people don't copy art styles or even that it's rare is ridiculous. Opwm tumblr and you will immediately be presented with a counterexample.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Post by ajuc »

dotnet00 wrote: post #214
ajuc wrote: post #165

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Would you object to somebody looking at your images and imitating the style? How is AI different?

Have you ever actually looked into people who do that? They put in a lot of effort into understanding the original creator, their intent, process, materials etc. The copies are still very much art as they are expressions of the imitator's feelings towards the work. Performing studies of popular art by trying to replicate it is a powerful tool for learning precisely because it allows you, as an artist, to understand h…

> AI is none of that.

How do we know? We can do art Turing Test - have 3 real artists and an text/image generation AI train on somebody's art. Have it generate the images and answer questions about the art.

If you can't tell which one of them is AI - would you conceed they are "all of that"?

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Post by thot_experiment »

lancesells wrote: post #230
thot_experiment wrote: post #213

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Man I know it's pointless for me to argue but it's just like... it's wild to me that people make these comments. Do my comments give the impression that I am unaware of what drawing and painting are? I have spent thousands of hours painting and drawing. Photography isn't gonna be painting or drawing either, it's still art that affords the artist an enormous amount of control. This is the "meme" I'm talking about. The…

> It's such a self report, you have no idea what is going on, you are quick to discount it without any understanding. We are still in the infancy of the space and people are fixated with these idiotic reductive arguments. > I'm sure we will see it eventually If your basis for your art is about the hot new tool, or a tool in the future then it's just novelty. Generative AI is incredible from a technological perspectiv…

> Photoshop

> didn't usher in a profound new wave of art

How can you claim that with a straight face?

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Post by GabeIsko »

hafriedlander wrote: post #8

Somewhat tangential, but the Krita community and core team have been pretty explicitly anti-AI. https://krita-artists.org/t/change-in-policy-for-topics-rela... (I am part of a group that builds UI on top of open models, but we stopped working on our Krita version for that reason.)

I am a firm believer that the creator should choose the way their work is licensed, but man - it is weird seeing an open source project have such a commitment to Intellectual Property. It seems like it is mostly developed by volunteers. So the expectation is that artists take these devs hard work and use it to create proprietary paintings.

I'm on board for this on the basis that the creator should ultimately get to choose how their work is released. Open Source has to be a choice. But dang, I would hope that one of the outcomes of a project like this would be more public domain digital art.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Post by disqard »

OOPMan wrote: post #233
radlad wrote: post #216

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Just as a data point counter to yours, I'm a Vim user with a 150+ wpm typing speed, and I have to say I find Copilot massively useful. In Go, it's great for dealing with a lot of the repetitive code one finds themselves writing. When writing Android apps, it's useful for API discovery!

Are you guys seriously involved in a WPM pissing contest?

Ssshhhh! You just scared away a 200+ wpm person from adding on to this interesting conversation.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Post by hutzlibu »

Affric wrote: post #232
hutzlibu wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So yes AI can reduce work, but arguably work that was never required nor beneficial to humanity to begin with" Hm, just a suggestion, I would be careful with such statements, if you don't want to insult peoples work you know nothing about. Because LLMs enable a very broad spectrum of work. I don't use them in my current workflow(nor am I that easily insulted), but the times I did use them, they were useful. My probl…

I think to a large extent this is correct but, being the devils advocate, perhaps if the GIS tool were better then your friend wouldn’t have had quite as big a gain in free time? Answering my own question somewhat, I think that LLMs are becoming a kind UI layer over many applications/tools for many users. Which is interesting. And in some ways they show signs of fulfilling the promise of AI.

I think even with the best GUI (and I seldom have seen worse GUIs than with GIS tools), scripting is way more powerful, if you have advanced tasks.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Post by dustypotato »

eterps wrote: post #52
dustypotato wrote: post #49

Too bad I don't have the Hardware to run it. Anyone had success with stable diffusion on Steam Deck ? The only thing that works for me is https://github.com/rupeshs/fastsdcpu , but it takes 1m per 512x512 image and is LCM

> Too bad I don't have the Hardware to run it. Cloud GPUs is supported if that is an option: https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion/blob/main/doc/clo...

Ah I missed it. Thanks
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