Does anyone know / tried if it works with multiple GPUs?
Krita AI Diffusion
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Re: Krita AI Diffusion
#162A theoretical nice thing about Krita and art in these past decades was that you could be an 18 year old with some ok drawing skills, a thinkpad, a secondhand wacom tablet and a version of krita, and the internet, this wonderful innovation, could enable you to make some money as an artist.
If the future expectation is that artists all have 2000 euro graphics cards, I think that will really make art a lot less democratic.
Re: Krita AI Diffusion
#163Somewhat tangential, but the Krita community and core team have been pretty explicitly anti-AI. https://krita-artists.org/t/change-in-policy-for-topics-rela... (I am part of a group that builds UI on top of open models, but we stopped working on our Krita version for that reason.)
The AI hate is suuuch a meme in the art community, it's very frustrating/alienating. (Though understandably, neoliberal capitalism is also extremely frustrating, so I see why artists mad, I just wish they'd be mad at the root cause.) ((the root cause is that an economic system fundamentally based on scarcity == value doesn't make sense when applied to things that are essentially infinite, and kludgeing in artificial…
Artist here. It's totally reasonable for artists to be mad about models being trained on their work without informed prior consent.
Anger about using AI is less justifiied.
Re: Krita AI Diffusion
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm an artist and look at generative AI as a tool that's almost always going to produce content but not art. I refuse to use it from a moral standpoint but I also don't use any digital tools at all in the creation of my work. Even if I worked digitally I don't create art to produce pretty pictures as fast as possible. Typing in a prompt and fiddling with some things back and forth is just that.
This comment hurts me to my very core, I actually screamed when I read it. I'm in one of the most artistically productive periods of my life right now. I've been doing multiple notebook pages of gouache and india ink a day. I also have a homebuilt plotter that I've written an entire suite of software for. I've been doing 3D graphics and photomanipulation, I've been dabbling in video editing. AND I've been pushing wha…
I'm happy you get something out of it and wish you the best. I do think it's built on theft and I do think it's a cold, lifeless medium. I think art is truth and the farther you get away from a human making something the farther you are away from the artist and feeling. A digital print will never feel as nice to me as a painting or a drawing. A handmade sculpture will always feel better to me than something produced with a mold or a 3D printer.
We're all different and again, it's great if you like making art with AI. The world needs differences, otherwise it would be quite boring.
Re: Krita AI Diffusion
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
The AI hate is suuuch a meme in the art community, it's very frustrating/alienating. (Though understandably, neoliberal capitalism is also extremely frustrating, so I see why artists mad, I just wish they'd be mad at the root cause.) ((the root cause is that an economic system fundamentally based on scarcity == value doesn't make sense when applied to things that are essentially infinite, and kludgeing in artificial…
Artist here. It's totally reasonable for artists to be mad about models being trained on their work without informed prior consent. Anger about using AI is less justifiied.
Would you object to somebody looking at your images and imitating the style? How is AI different?
Re: Krita AI Diffusion
#166Somewhat tangential, but the Krita community and core team have been pretty explicitly anti-AI. https://krita-artists.org/t/change-in-policy-for-topics-rela... (I am part of a group that builds UI on top of open models, but we stopped working on our Krita version for that reason.)
I think at one point Krita will fork to two apps because of this exact reason. AI-based tools are clearly the next step of painting apps (to me at least, but I can't be the only one who believes in this). I think in 3~5 years an painting app without AI generation feature is just like a painting app without pen pressure today. It's still usable, you can make great art with it if you have the skill, but it will be so o…
I think you don't know a lot of people in the art community if you think this. Good to see Krita standing with the people who actually use their tools.
Re: Krita AI Diffusion
#167A theoretical nice thing about Krita and art in these past decades was that you could be an 18 year old with some ok drawing skills, a thinkpad, a secondhand wacom tablet and a version of krita, and the internet, this wonderful innovation, could enable you to make some money as an artist. If the future expectation is that artists all have 2000 euro graphics cards, I think that will really make art a lot less democrat…
That's not the expectation at all; a lot of work is being done to make it run on underpowered hardware. SD in particular runs on a 8-years-old potato, albeit slowly and with limitations, despite originally barely fitting into 10GB VRAM.
>A theoretical nice thing about Krita and art in these past decades was that you could be an 18 year old with some ok drawing skills, a thinkpad, a secondhand wacom tablet and a version of krita
You never needed a computer for that, just a pen/pencil and paper.
For digital painting in particular though, that only became possible in the recent years. Free digital painting software sucked until recently, so 20 years ago every 18 years old just pirated commercial software. And drawing tablets only became cheap and good after Wacom battery-less patents expired (alternatively, with the advent of iPads with pens that a lot of parents bought for their kids, and cheap drawing software in the App Store).
I'm not even starting on 3D, which always required beefy hardware. Tinkering with Maya/3DSMax/Lightwave in early 2000s required a really powerful gaming PC. These days you can at least rent a powerful GPU for peanuts to run the AI model.
Re: Krita AI Diffusion
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
The AI hate is suuuch a meme in the art community, it's very frustrating/alienating. (Though understandably, neoliberal capitalism is also extremely frustrating, so I see why artists mad, I just wish they'd be mad at the root cause.) ((the root cause is that an economic system fundamentally based on scarcity == value doesn't make sense when applied to things that are essentially infinite, and kludgeing in artificial…
Artist here. It's totally reasonable for artists to be mad about models being trained on their work without informed prior consent. Anger about using AI is less justifiied.
I'm more of an artist than a hacker, and
> mad about models being trained on their work without informed prior consent
This is the "your mind has been poisoned by a corporate view of intellectual property" take. The idea that copyright should extend this far is horrifying, it is another step toward stifling and controlling creative expression. The problem is capital being rewarded way more by IP law than labor, something that isn't going to be fixed by giving people more and broader ways to own things.|
You'll be surprised how recent the idea of owning ideas is.
Re: Krita AI Diffusion
#169Somewhat tangential, but the Krita community and core team have been pretty explicitly anti-AI. https://krita-artists.org/t/change-in-policy-for-topics-rela... (I am part of a group that builds UI on top of open models, but we stopped working on our Krita version for that reason.)
The AI hate is suuuch a meme in the art community, it's very frustrating/alienating. (Though understandably, neoliberal capitalism is also extremely frustrating, so I see why artists mad, I just wish they'd be mad at the root cause.) ((the root cause is that an economic system fundamentally based on scarcity == value doesn't make sense when applied to things that are essentially infinite, and kludgeing in artificial…
It's super rich to call artists being mad at a labor alienation machine, alienating for being mad at it.
Re: Krita AI Diffusion
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
"As far as I know there's a sizeable number of devs who don't intend to ever rely on copilot" Is that really a thing? I mean, I also don't want to rely on Microsoft and therefore also not on Copilot, but not using AI tools in general out of principle is probably a very rare minority. I simply would prefer my own local LLM. But in the thread linked above I read "AI never had and never will have it’s place in art." And…
Well think of how AI was trained. GitHub trained copilot on _mostly_ open source data with permissive licenses. Giving away code and their rights for free is commonplace. Also it’s not like you can use “by Ryan Dhal” to make the output from copilot better. But these art AI were trained on. CC, CC-BY, and closed license pieces of art. And you can use “by Greg Rotowski” to get art in that artist’s specific style. I don…
Hmm, is it possible to include a bit of prompt in copilot, something like “follow the formatting guidelines of the Linux kernel,” or something like that?
I dunno if it would help, but people do seem(?) to be improving their ChatGPT responses by telling it to answer as if it is an expert on a topic.