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Re: My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up

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Post by felixgallo »

javajosh wrote: post #22

Disturbingly myopic. As if the problem were simple! It's not. People will self censure if they fear retribution. This is particularly true when that retribution takes the form of ostracism, personal or professional. This used to be very rare! Now it is common. The concern about "first amendment rights" are a total red herring. Who cares about the law? Ostracism doesn't and never needed a trial. What this boils down t…

there is little more painful than ostracism?

Tell that to the tens of millions of graves that Nazis and Fascists littered Europe with, within living memory.

All this pearl clutching about cancel culture is just a naked attempt to permit the normalization of Fascism, gay bashing, Jew hating, and pushing down the Blacks again, in order to energize the last vestiges of the aging-out conservative right wing.

'there is little more painful than ostracism.'

Re: My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up

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Post by bad_username »

kstrauser wrote: post #15
bad_username wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me divert from Musk specifically for a moment. The "anti woke cancel culture critics" are in fact concerned with the inorganic, overwhelming influence that a specific family of ideologies has today over the means of modern communication. Observe the similarity with the left themselves, who are concerned with the inorganic, overwhelming influence that a specific class of wealthy people have today over the means of…

You mean when the advertising companies pulled their money from Twitter after its owner said Jews "pushing [...] hatred against whites" was "the actual truth"? Darn those woke hippies at... let's see... IBM! Or maybe, just maybe, the simpler explanation is that they don't want their ads running alongside that trash.

> You mean when the advertising companies pulled their money from Twitter after its owner said Jews "pushing [...] hatred against whites" was "the actual truth"?

Not really, because I specifically stated that my response was not about the Musk situation. "Jewish communities hate whites" does sound pretty antisemitic to me.

But so does the equivalent trash of "all whites are racist", which for some reason is a-ok for the advertising companies.

Re: My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up

#33

Post by shusaku »

I think that people of certain generations need to be taught the beauty of a burner account. You get to say whatever you want, and are invulnerable to criticism. The downside is there’s no ego boost to seeing your name in the news or using your fame to get impressions. But that’s the double sided sword of reputation.

When I was growing up on the internet, everyone understood the value of pseudo anonymity. But then Facebook came along and everyone is shocked that attaching your name and face to your random thoughts is a bad idea.

And while a burner account is vulnerable to doxing, at least that’s universally viewed as going over the line. And maybe as an owner of a social media platform, Musk could prevent doxing with better privacy tools.

Re: My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up

#34

Post by spondylosaurus »

bad_username wrote: post #32
kstrauser wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean when the advertising companies pulled their money from Twitter after its owner said Jews "pushing [...] hatred against whites" was "the actual truth"? Darn those woke hippies at... let's see... IBM! Or maybe, just maybe, the simpler explanation is that they don't want their ads running alongside that trash.

> You mean when the advertising companies pulled their money from Twitter after its owner said Jews "pushing [...] hatred against whites" was "the actual truth"? Not really, because I specifically stated that my response was not about the Musk situation. "Jewish communities hate whites" does sound pretty antisemitic to me. But so does the equivalent trash of "all whites are racist", which for some reason is a-ok for…

> But so does the equivalent trash of "all whites are racist", which for some reason is a-ok for the advertising companies.

So... free speech? To the extent that advertising is speech, I guess?

Re: My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up

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Post by pyvpx »

bad_username wrote: post #32
kstrauser wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean when the advertising companies pulled their money from Twitter after its owner said Jews "pushing [...] hatred against whites" was "the actual truth"? Darn those woke hippies at... let's see... IBM! Or maybe, just maybe, the simpler explanation is that they don't want their ads running alongside that trash.

> You mean when the advertising companies pulled their money from Twitter after its owner said Jews "pushing [...] hatred against whites" was "the actual truth"? Not really, because I specifically stated that my response was not about the Musk situation. "Jewish communities hate whites" does sound pretty antisemitic to me. But so does the equivalent trash of "all whites are racist", which for some reason is a-ok for…

bad_understanding_of_racism

Re: My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up

#36

Post by rpmisms »

kstrauser wrote: post #19
foolswisdom wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not exactly what happened though https://x.com/billackman/status/1725898682438979972?s=46&t=K...

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"Jewish Communities" doesn't mean "All Jews", and that's obvious to anyone not looking for a reason to be angry. Muslim communities just bombed the hell out of Israel, and that's not islamophobic to say, because it doesn't implicate all Muslims.

Re: My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up

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Post by bad_username »

shusaku wrote: post #33

I think that people of certain generations need to be taught the beauty of a burner account. You get to say whatever you want, and are invulnerable to criticism. The downside is there’s no ego boost to seeing your name in the news or using your fame to get impressions. But that’s the double sided sword of reputation. When I was growing up on the internet, everyone understood the value of pseudo anonymity. But then Fa…

> doxing, at least that’s universally viewed as going over the line.

Not really. When the user database of Parler was dumped, the media covered that event quite widely and favorably.

Re: My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up

#38

Post by rpmisms »

felixgallo wrote: post #31
javajosh wrote: post #22

Disturbingly myopic. As if the problem were simple! It's not. People will self censure if they fear retribution. This is particularly true when that retribution takes the form of ostracism, personal or professional. This used to be very rare! Now it is common. The concern about "first amendment rights" are a total red herring. Who cares about the law? Ostracism doesn't and never needed a trial. What this boils down t…

there is little more painful than ostracism? Tell that to the tens of millions of graves that Nazis and Fascists littered Europe with, within living memory. All this pearl clutching about cancel culture is just a naked attempt to permit the normalization of Fascism, gay bashing, Jew hating, and pushing down the Blacks again, in order to energize the last vestiges of the aging-out conservative right wing. 'there is li…

And the little that is more painful, we look at with abject horror.

Re: My Free Speech Means You Have to Shut Up

#40

Post by spondylosaurus »

diob wrote: post #11
bad_username wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me divert from Musk specifically for a moment. The "anti woke cancel culture critics" are in fact concerned with the inorganic, overwhelming influence that a specific family of ideologies has today over the means of modern communication. Observe the similarity with the left themselves, who are concerned with the inorganic, overwhelming influence that a specific class of wealthy people have today over the means of…

Can you give some concrete examples of inorganic, overwhelming influence? And then perhaps contrast it with some concrete organic, overwhelming influence examples. But that's a bonus.

Maybe an organic overwhelming influence is how there's a lot of gay and Jewish people in musical theater? Unless it's actually an inorganic influence (thanks to the shady machinations of Big Sondheim...)
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