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Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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There's a non-zero chance he was also used as a pawn to deliver the message, but who could be manipulating him then? There's so little actual detail give by anyone in the loop and I think that's what's amplifying the drama so much. Even if the board's motive was weak and unconvincing, I doubt the ratio of employees threatening to quit would be this high had they just said it openly.

Somebody is using a guy with a 160 IQ as a pawn? I for one would like to subscribe to that person's newsletter.

Related:

> Self-confidence is one factor that causes people to fall for scams. People of any age who believe they are too smart or well-informed to be tricked are very likely to become victims, especially today when technology is used in many scams.

> Well-educated people with their cognitive abilities intact frequently are victims of scams, partly because they were confident they didn’t fit the profile of fraud victims and couldn’t fall for one. That made them less careful.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobcarlson/2022/07/25/why-sophi...

Also, the rest of them are very smart too.

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I'm no fan of rich people as a principle given they suck wealth from the poor and Smaug the money away like the narcissists they are, but this is the definition of that horrible cancel culture. She's accused him which isn't something the public should act upon. If proven, then it's appropriate to form that negative opinion.

> suck wealth from the poor and Smaug the money away like

What does that even mean? They buy up factories and let them sit idle?

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Given 90%, including leadership, seems a bad career move for remaining people not to sign, even if you agreed with the board's action.

Don't forget some might be on holiday, medical leave, or parental leave.

On a digital-detox trip to Patagonia. Return to this in 5 days

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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A few things come to mind: * Emmett Shear should have put in a strong golden parachute in his contract, easy money if so * Yesterday we had Satya the genius forcing the board to quit. This morning it was Satya the genius who acquired OpenAI for $0. Im sure there will be more if sama goes back. So if sama goes back - lets hear it, why is Satya a genius?

You described it yourself. If they'd signed a bad deal with openai without IP access or hadn't acted fast and lost all the talent to Google or something they'd have been screwed. Instead they managed the chaos and made sure that they win no matter what. The genius isn't the person who perfectly predicts all the contrived plot points ahead of time, it's the person who doesn't care since they set things up to win no ma…

Ah yes the Xanatos Gambit

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Surprisingly, Ilya apparently has signed it too and just tweeted that he regrets it all. What's even going on?

Those are news from almost yesterday. This is a high turn carousel. Try to keep up... :-)

I would love to see the stats on hacker news activity the last few days

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242

Apparently Sam isn't in the Microsoft employee directly yet, so he isn't technically hired at all. Seems like he loses a bit of leverage over the board if they think he & Microsoft are actually bluffing and the employment announcement was just a way to pressure the board into resigning.

It was reported elsewhere in the news that MS needed an answer to the dilemma before the market opened this morning. I think that's what we got.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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I'm no fan of rich people as a principle given they suck wealth from the poor and Smaug the money away like the narcissists they are, but this is the definition of that horrible cancel culture. She's accused him which isn't something the public should act upon. If proven, then it's appropriate to form that negative opinion.

It's not "cancel culture" to ask that your leaders address salacious allegations brought against them by their own family. The question of his firing is way less serious from a ethical standpoint, and yet this is what OpenAI employees are willing to stick their necks out for? That is some telling prioritization.

His sister is clearly mentally ill. Allegations are impossible to prove or deny. They should simply be ignored like the unhinged rantings of mentally ill people in general.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Feels like they want to be where Altman is.

Realistically, regular employees have little to gain by staying at Open AI at this point. They would be taking a huge gamble, earn less money, and lose a lot of colleagues.

Why earning less money? Isn’t openai comp huge while MS is famous for peanuts?

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242

The board might assume they don't need those employees now they have AI

It's going to be interesting when we have AI with human level performance in making AIs. We just need to hope it doesn't realise the paradox that even if you could make an AI even better at making AIs, there would be no need to.
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