Live data from Hacker News

Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

theverge.com

421–430 of 985 posts

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#421
post #308
post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given 90%, including leadership, seems a bad career move for remaining people not to sign, even if you agreed with the board's action.

Don't forget some might be on holiday, medical leave, or parental leave.

That's probably the case.

I was thinking if there was a schism, that OpenAI's secrets might leak. Real "open" AI.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#422

As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242

Torrid pace of news speculation --> by the end of the week Altman back with OpenAI, GPT-5 released (AGI qualified) and MSFT contract is over.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

I'm no fan of rich people as a principle given they suck wealth from the poor and Smaug the money away like the narcissists they are, but this is the definition of that horrible cancel culture. She's accused him which isn't something the public should act upon. If proven, then it's appropriate to form that negative opinion.

It's not "cancel culture" to ask that your leaders address salacious allegations brought against them by their own family. The question of his firing is way less serious from a ethical standpoint, and yet this is what OpenAI employees are willing to stick their necks out for? That is some telling prioritization.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs was fired from Apple, and a number of employees followed him to Next. Different, but that's the closest parallel.

Only a very small number of people left with Jobs. Of course, probably mainly because he couldn't necessarily afford to hire more without the backing of a trillion-dollar corporation...

No, the failures at NeXT weren’t due to a lack of money or personnel. He took the people he wanted to take (and who were willing to come with him).

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#425
post #308
post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given 90%, including leadership, seems a bad career move for remaining people not to sign, even if you agreed with the board's action.

Don't forget some might be on holiday, medical leave, or parental leave.

Folks in Silicon Valley don’t travel without their laptop

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if Sam @ MSFT was a massive bluff, Satya is in a win-win-win scenario. OpenAI can't exactly continue doing anything without Azure Compute. OpenAI implodes? Bought the talent for virtually nothing. OpenAI 2.0 succeeds? Cool, still invested. I think in reality, Sam @ MSFT is not an instant success. Even with the knowledge and know-how, this isn't just spinning up a new GPT-4-like model. At best, they're ~12 months…

The loss here might be that the brand is a bit damaged in terms of stability and people are more looking for and investing in alternatives. But as long as ChatGPT is and remains ahead as a product, they should be fine.

I do think the imperative to maintain their lead over the competition in product quality will be stronger than ever after this–the whole thing has been messy and dramatic in a way that no business really wants their major vendors to be.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#427

As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242

In this situation increasing unanimity now approaching 90% sounds more like groupthink than honest opinion.

Talk about “alignment”!

Indeed, that is what "alignment" has become in the minds of most: Groupthink.

Possibly the only guy in a position to matter who had a prayer of de-conflating empirical bias (IS) from values bias (OUGHT) in OpenAI was Ilya. If they lose him, or demote him to irrelevance, they're likely a lot more screwed than losing all 700 of the grunts modulo job security through obscurity in running the infrastructure. Indeed, Microsoft is in a position to replicate OpenAI's "IP" just on the strength of its ability to throw its inhouse personnel and its own capital equipment at open literature understanding of LLMs.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#428
post #163

As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242

Given 90%, including leadership, seems a bad career move for remaining people not to sign, even if you agreed with the board's action.

Someone mentioned the plight of people with conditional work visas. I'm not sure how they could handle that.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#429
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incredible. Is this unprecedented or have been other cases in history where the vast majority of employees standup against the board in favor of their CEO?

In favour of the CEO who was about to make them fabulously wealthy. FTFY.

Yeah, especially with the PPU compensation scheme, all of those employees were heavily invested in turning OpenAI into the next tech giant, which won't happen if Altman leaves and takes everything to Microsoft

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no fan of rich people as a principle given they suck wealth from the poor and Smaug the money away like the narcissists they are, but this is the definition of that horrible cancel culture. She's accused him which isn't something the public should act upon. If proven, then it's appropriate to form that negative opinion.

It's not "cancel culture" to ask that your leaders address salacious allegations brought against them by their own family. The question of his firing is way less serious from a ethical standpoint, and yet this is what OpenAI employees are willing to stick their necks out for? That is some telling prioritization.

Burden of evidence for accusations is always on the accuser, the accused could flat out ignore and take them to a court of law and that would be perfectly reasonable.

I have no idea nor do I care about what Altman's sister accuses him of, but until it's conclusively proven in a court of law it's not something that should be used as a basis for anything of consequence.

Remember: Innocent until proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Post reply on HN