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Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by CamperBob2 »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #154
synergy20 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he was said to start the whole mess and indeed he announced Sam's firing,,now he plays the victim, even movies can not switch plot this fast, keep some minimum dignity please

There's a non-zero chance he was also used as a pawn to deliver the message, but who could be manipulating him then? There's so little actual detail give by anyone in the loop and I think that's what's amplifying the drama so much. Even if the board's motive was weak and unconvincing, I doubt the ratio of employees threatening to quit would be this high had they just said it openly.

Somebody is using a guy with a 160 IQ as a pawn? I for one would like to subscribe to that person's newsletter.

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Post by kitsune_ »

TerrifiedMouse wrote: post #88

Guess OpenAI that was actually open was dead the moment Altman took MS money and completely change the organization. People there got a taste of the money and the mission went out the window. A lesson to learn I guess, just because something claims to be a nonprofit with a mission doesn’t mean it is/always will be so. All it takes is a corporation with deep pockets to compromise a few important people*, indirectly gi…

I think the steward-ownership / stewardship movement might suffer a significant blow with this.

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Post by jansan »

jader201 wrote: post #7

I will be very sad if there isn’t a documentary someday explaining what in the world happened. I’m not convinced even people smack in the middle of this even know what’s going on.

And the main scene must be even better than the senior management emergency meeting in Margin Call.

And all must be written by AI.

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Post by valine »

alephnerd wrote: post #84

As I posted elsewhere, I think this is a conflict between Dustin Moskovitz and Sam Altman. Ilya may have been brought into this without his knowledge (which might explain why he retracted his position). Dustin Moskovitz was an early employee at FB, and the founder of Asana. He also created (along with plenty of MSFT bigwigs) a non-profit called Open Philanthropy, which was a early proponent of a form of Effective Alt…

If he has safety concerns with OpenAI, he must be mortified with his old company Meta dropping 70B llamas on HF.

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Post by nikcub »

iteratethis wrote: post #165
brokencode wrote: post #134

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How do we know the mission got thrown out a window? The board still, after days of intense controversy, have yet to clearly explain how Altman was betraying the mission. Did he ignore safety? Did he defund important research? Did he push forward on projects against direct objections from the board? If there’s a good reason, then let everybody know what that is. If there isn’t, then what was the point of all this?

Because the mission is visibly abandoned. There's nothing "open" about OpenAI. We may not know how the mission was abandoned but we know Sam was CEO, hence responsible.

In terms of the LLM's, it was abandoned after GPT-2 when they realised the dangers of what was coming with GPT 3/3.5. Better to paywall access to and monitor it than open-source it and let it loose on the world.

ie. the original mission was never viable long-term.

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Post by jacquesm »

danenania wrote: post #243
jacquesm wrote: post #143

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Oh, people are talking about it, just not as loud. But I think you are dead on: that's the main burning issue at the moment and D'Angelo may well be reviewing his options with his lawyer by his side. Because admitting fault would open him up to liability immediately but there aren't that many ways to exit stage left without doing just that. He's in a world of trouble and I suspect that this is the only thing that has…

If we assume bad faith on D'Angelo's part (which we don't know for sure), it would obviously be unethical, but is it illegal? It seems like it would be impossible to prove what his motivations were even if it looks obvious to everyone in the peanut gallery. Seems like there's very little recourse against a corrupt board in a situation like this as long as a majority of them are sticking together.

It's not illegal but it is actionable. You don't go to jail for that but you can be sued into the poorhouse.

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Post by ben_w »

TerrifiedMouse wrote: post #88

Guess OpenAI that was actually open was dead the moment Altman took MS money and completely change the organization. People there got a taste of the money and the mission went out the window. A lesson to learn I guess, just because something claims to be a nonprofit with a mission doesn’t mean it is/always will be so. All it takes is a corporation with deep pockets to compromise a few important people*, indirectly gi…

Could be, but it isn't necessarily so.

There's a whole range of opinions about AI as it is now or will be in the near future: for capabilities, I've seen people here stating with certainty everything from GPT being no better than 90s Markov chains to being genius level IQ; for impact, it (and diffusion models) are described even here as everywhere on the spectrum from pointless toys to existential threats to human creativity.

It's entirely possible that this is a case where everyone is smart and has sincerely held yet mutually incompatible opinions about what they have made and are making.

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Post by g42gregory »

alephnerd wrote: post #84

As I posted elsewhere, I think this is a conflict between Dustin Moskovitz and Sam Altman. Ilya may have been brought into this without his knowledge (which might explain why he retracted his position). Dustin Moskovitz was an early employee at FB, and the founder of Asana. He also created (along with plenty of MSFT bigwigs) a non-profit called Open Philanthropy, which was a early proponent of a form of Effective Alt…

Great insights. very interesting!

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Post by openthc »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #147
brookst wrote: post #124

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The people responsible for calling for the sacking of the people who sacked the CEO, have just been sacked.

Honestly beginning to wonder if this is all just a marketing stunt.

Snoop tweeted that he was giving up smoke which was a stunt to advertise a fireplace.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbes-personal-shopper/2023/11...

Why not shake-up CEOs of AI if the "CEO of cannabis" is doing wild thing?

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Post by Forgeties79 »

ta8645 wrote: post #263
Forgeties79 wrote: post #168

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It’s pretty bad https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/17/white-hou...

It seems to me that this conflates criticism of some Jewish communities with antisemitism. Are people supposed to be above criticism because they are Jewish? Does any disagreement with a Jewish person make you hateful and antisemitic? This is happening with the current conflict in Gaza, where showing any empathy for the plight of Palestinian civilians, is sometimes equated with hatred for Jewish people.

Did you read the contents of the tweet he supported? What it accused Jewish people of?
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