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Re: Krita AI Diffusion

#51

Post by irusensei »

sorenjan wrote: post #14
irusensei wrote: post #5

> AMD GPU: supported via DirectML, Windows only Uh... I'm not happy with this trend. Thankfully there is an option for using a ComfyUI, a torch based project as a backend.

I'm on mobile and haven't looked at this project, but usually DirectML support is added as a torch backend. Instead of device = "cuda" if torch.cuda.is_available() else "cpu" you add import torch_directml device = torch_directml.device() How else are you supposed to support AMD in Pytorch on Windows?

My comment was about the “AMD - Windows only” part of readme.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

#52

Post by eterps »

dustypotato wrote: post #49

Too bad I don't have the Hardware to run it. Anyone had success with stable diffusion on Steam Deck ? The only thing that works for me is https://github.com/rupeshs/fastsdcpu , but it takes 1m per 512x512 image and is LCM

> Too bad I don't have the Hardware to run it.

Cloud GPUs is supported if that is an option:

https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion/blob/main/doc/clo...

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

#53

Post by sorenjan »

irusensei wrote: post #51
sorenjan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on mobile and haven't looked at this project, but usually DirectML support is added as a torch backend. Instead of device = "cuda" if torch.cuda.is_available() else "cpu" you add import torch_directml device = torch_directml.device() How else are you supposed to support AMD in Pytorch on Windows?

My comment was about the “AMD - Windows only” part of readme.

My point was that it's not a matter or DirectML or torch, it's simply a choice of backend for torch. It's an easy way of adding AMD support to torch based projects in Windows, there's probably an equally easy way of adding ROCm support in Linux. It's just that using cpu or Cuda is built in and usually the two default options when writing torch code, and somebody have to care enough to explicitly add AMD support.

It's not exactly as easy as just changing one line by the way, not all operations are implemented so there's some testing and maybe some rewrites needed. Hopefully the GPU backend mess gets solved in the general case soon.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

#54

Post by OsrsNeedsf2P »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #38

It says Mac OS support is untested, but wouldn't Mac OS be a great test bed, with many graphic pro users, and Apple Silicon running Stable Diffusion out of the box? DiffusionBee already does in-/outpainting and basically all the other things this integration is promising, you only have to copy/paste image data and resolution/context parameters I guess. But then this brings in the Python ML stack which seems like a no…

It was made by 2 people. Probably neither of them have Macbooks.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

#55

Post by misnome »

kranke155 wrote: post #18
thot_experiment wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AI hate is suuuch a meme in the art community, it's very frustrating/alienating. (Though understandably, neoliberal capitalism is also extremely frustrating, so I see why artists mad, I just wish they'd be mad at the root cause.) ((the root cause is that an economic system fundamentally based on scarcity == value doesn't make sense when applied to things that are essentially infinite, and kludgeing in artificial…

Yet this terrible economic system you describe determines whether these people can afford food, rent and their children's education. Yeah it must be a meme.

They aren’t CS graduates so they can’t really be human or have thought processes. Literally stealing their work to pad a VC linesheet must honestly be the most altruistic of options.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

#56

Post by vouaobrasil »

Lacerda69 wrote: post #27
wokwokwok wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's very frustrating/alienating Mm. I’ve spoken to a number of artists who have expressed similar feelings of despair, frustration and anger. There are many upset people over this technology, and calling it a meme diminishes them to meaningless copycat haters. I don’t think that’s true; and doing it, really reallllly makes them angry. Consider: this attitude it part of the reason why that attitude exists. :| If th…

IMO all of this will blow over in a few years and most artists will accept that "AI" is just another tool that one can use to create art. It took some time for photography as well... edit: typo

This is absolutely ridiculous and short-sighted. AI is a tool that is and always will make the creation of art less a matter of the expression of the human soul. What techies NEVER understand about art is this: that art is not just the end product for the artist but something they use to express THEMSELVES.

UNLIKE other tools, AI makes creative decisions. No other tool has done this, and moreover, its primary purpose is to take away the reliance on artists. The ultimate aim of BIG TECH is to take away this reliance so that they can be the ultimate source of cheap art, just like cheap slave labour is the ultimate source of cheap and unsustainable clothing for most people.

Therefore, AI will NEVER be a tool to create art like other tools. It is is a tool that will outcompete humans on a massive scale so that even if "normal human art" exists, it will never gain much traction or commercial viability.

To be honest, AI is absolutely sickening and companies like Microsoft and OpenAI make me sick.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

#57

Post by scotty79 »

wokwokwok wrote: post #17
thot_experiment wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AI hate is suuuch a meme in the art community, it's very frustrating/alienating. (Though understandably, neoliberal capitalism is also extremely frustrating, so I see why artists mad, I just wish they'd be mad at the root cause.) ((the root cause is that an economic system fundamentally based on scarcity == value doesn't make sense when applied to things that are essentially infinite, and kludgeing in artificial…

> it's very frustrating/alienating Mm. I’ve spoken to a number of artists who have expressed similar feelings of despair, frustration and anger. There are many upset people over this technology, and calling it a meme diminishes them to meaningless copycat haters. I don’t think that’s true; and doing it, really reallllly makes them angry. Consider: this attitude it part of the reason why that attitude exists. :| If th…

> reallllly makes them angry.

Reality makes them angry.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

#58

Post by bsenftner »

thot_experiment wrote: post #13
hafriedlander wrote: post #8

Somewhat tangential, but the Krita community and core team have been pretty explicitly anti-AI. https://krita-artists.org/t/change-in-policy-for-topics-rela... (I am part of a group that builds UI on top of open models, but we stopped working on our Krita version for that reason.)

The AI hate is suuuch a meme in the art community, it's very frustrating/alienating. (Though understandably, neoliberal capitalism is also extremely frustrating, so I see why artists mad, I just wish they'd be mad at the root cause.) ((the root cause is that an economic system fundamentally based on scarcity == value doesn't make sense when applied to things that are essentially infinite, and kludgeing in artificial…

I've had the situation where long term friends contact me with a child/teen either entering or graduating art/animation/film school and want me to give advice to their kid. My background is 3D graphics, animation, film VFX, video games, and AI - from the software developer and digital artist sides.

Every one of those conversations has been their kid telling me they will never touch AI, AI is evil, AI is the death of art and artists, and they refuse to see it any other way. One is graduating this year, wants to be a concept designer for high concept film and games: a role that is leaning heavy into generative art simply for the variations it generates. They refuse to discuss how their intended industry already uses and is adopting AI generative art en mass.

Times when I wish I had the eloquent voice of another.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

#59

Post by dthul »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #56
Lacerda69 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO all of this will blow over in a few years and most artists will accept that "AI" is just another tool that one can use to create art. It took some time for photography as well... edit: typo

This is absolutely ridiculous and short-sighted. AI is a tool that is and always will make the creation of art less a matter of the expression of the human soul. What techies NEVER understand about art is this: that art is not just the end product for the artist but something they use to express THEMSELVES. UNLIKE other tools, AI makes creative decisions. No other tool has done this, and moreover, its primary purpose…

That sounds like a very Luddite view. Why wouldn't artists be able to use AI selectively to automate "boring" tasks (such as filling the sky of an image with clouds) while still retaining overall artistic control?

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

#60

Post by bsenftner »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #56
Lacerda69 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO all of this will blow over in a few years and most artists will accept that "AI" is just another tool that one can use to create art. It took some time for photography as well... edit: typo

This is absolutely ridiculous and short-sighted. AI is a tool that is and always will make the creation of art less a matter of the expression of the human soul. What techies NEVER understand about art is this: that art is not just the end product for the artist but something they use to express THEMSELVES. UNLIKE other tools, AI makes creative decisions. No other tool has done this, and moreover, its primary purpose…

You're almost there. Few recognize that Art is human communication. Most just want a pretty or awe inspiring image, or an illustration to supply the consumer's lack of imagination.

Perhaps with commercial art, pragmatic bread and butter art being automated and pooped out by noncomprehending, non-communicating consumers the job of real Art that communicates the frontiers of human experience using rich metaphor and on the edge of language and reason can work without having to also deliver hallmark nonsense.

Yeah, the economics to allow this are all fucked. But if you're an artist communicating your human experience, that does not matter, it's a part of your work.

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