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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by timcambrant »

gosub100 wrote: post #240
oblio wrote: post #223

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What are the next phases?

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I believe Sweden has passed this gap recently. Politicians, even on the left, can now oppose gang violence and comment on some integration problems without being labeled as outright racist.

However, most of the media and people on the opposing side of the political spectrum are still wary of people who focus too much on crime and integration problems. They are viewed as populist and are kept at an arms length distance. So it is still necessary to balance these opinions with sober coverage of other, less infected, issues. Our equivalent to InfoWars exist on the extreme far right and still doesn't have real credibility among common people. I believe most of the middle class don't have to deal with conspiracy theorists in their families or at work just yet.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by timcambrant »

mrkeen wrote: post #215

> But in recent years it has achieved notoriety as the hometown of one of Sweden’s most deadly gangs and its notorious leader Rawa Majid, “the Kurdish Fox”, who fled to Turkey in 2018 after a number of drug and violence-related convictions. > Much of the recent violence is due to a major split in the Foxtrot drug gang, say police. Majid, who was raised in Uppsala by Iraqi parents, is believed to have fallen out with…

Well, some of the gangs are ran from abroad but absolutely exist in our home turf. But it's true we can't simply arrest the gang leaders, and there are people waiting to take the place of existing middle management as they are imprisoned.

The two root causes of our gang problem is the amount of money drug buyers want to spend, and that it's still possible to combine crime with clean business and launder money through that.

I live next door to a handful small businesses that each employ 2-3 people full time, have maybe 2-3 customers per day paying for services costing about 200-300 kronor (10 minute hair cuts, tanning salons, car reconditioning, 10 minute tire changes, nail sculpture), and they still make a yearly profit of between 0.5 to 2 million kronor according to public records. They are all staffed by people in their 20s that mostly hang around all day. I would assume these businesses are quite cash heavy even though everyone uses card payments nowadays. They are generally owned by people whose main business is property ownership, restaurants and construction, who keep a bunch of smaller businesses on the side. I don't think the state has the resources to even begin looking into this.

As a privacy nut I have always wanted to keep cash but I'm starting to second guess myself.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by noxer »

antics9 wrote: post #111

Shootings occur in all kinds of areas in the major cities, but also in smaller towns. Sweden has also had a worrying number of bombs outside stairwells in residential areas and in detached houses. Therefore, the problems are not only concentrated in marginalized areas or what the Swedish Police call, particularly vulnerable areas. Per capita, Sweden has twice as many gang members as Mexico but you can hardly compare…

Next time some article about shootings in the US or shows up on HN, will people remember these exact points? So many probably mostly Europeans and Australians have a completely unrealistic views on actual risk of getting harmed by guns in the US. Yes, they have many shootings there but just like in Sweden or pretty much anywhere in "the west" with gun violence, it is mostly criminals shooting each other not terrorists, mass shooters and the police shooting random people. In places with better access to legal guns there is also often a huge portion of gun induced suicides that are thrown into the statistics for no good reason.

We are all most likely killed by someone close to use regardless of how, so pay attention who you and your loved ones hang out with. We are all more likely to be killed by hands, feet, knifes, random tools than by the evil AR-15 or a similar type of rifle. The chance of even getting harms by a gun is incredibly small if you aren't a criminal and you dont point a gun at yourself, its basically a non-existing risk.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by manuel_w »

Dah00n wrote: post #177
fintechie wrote: post #77

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

>haven't allowed illegal immigration How do you allow something legally that is illegal? If you allow it, it is not illegal. If you don't, you haven't allowed it.

You keep it illegal for PR purposes but force below you to bend the law to allow what's illegal.

That's supposedly what happened in Germany in Foreign minister Annalena Baerbocks office.

Basically the embassy reported that it has all reason to believe that the passport is faked. Still, Annalena Baerbocks ministry pressured them on providing the legal documents that would allow said person to seek refugee status in Germany.

Low-quality link in german language: https://www.cicero.de/aussenpolitik/visa-affare-im-auswartig...

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by timcambrant »

injeolmi_love wrote: post #178
jongjong wrote: post #142

I've been predicting a rise in numbers of 'good gangs' in the west for years now. Of course it must start with a rise in bad gangs first. I believe we're heading towards anarchy. The law just doesn't serve the majority anymore.

Exactly this. It’s not even a secret, quite a few intelligence and defense agencies have published reports in this issue. These agencies even intentionally using this process to destabilize target countries first. Based on what I’ve read the agencies haven’t fully recognized that it will eventually come for everyone, though I have seen that written as a scenario. It’s likely effective state agencies will continue to…

Could you please link any of these reports? Not trying to have you google for me; I just couldn't find them.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by quitit »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #265
quitit wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought that I play with is that the internet is also partially to blame – hear me out. In pre-internet times, immigrants faced the prospect of limited social contact unless they integrated with their communities. Alternatives to this was the formation of a cultural community such as a "little italy", "china town", or even a ghetto. However integration on some level would still be needed. It's logical to believe th…

There is definitely something to your idea. I have moved countries a couple of times in recent years and found that I get fewer opportunities to use the local language than in past moves, simply because a lot of face-to-face interaction has been replaced with online interfaces (the bank, state offices) or automated kiosks. And I am the motivated, educated immigrant with plenty of time to spare who wants to learn the…

The flipside of this: locals also don't necessarily need to interact with foreigners. Altogether this might simply be another part of the "Loneliness Epidemic".

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by noxer »

pempem wrote: post #331
pempem wrote: post #144

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I suspect you haven't even begun to think your comment out. The idea that someone who does not presumably know the language, culture, or even where all the landmarks of a city/nation are suddenly start running organized crime is deeply mistaken and does not even track with the most well-known syndicates such as the mafia (1920s in NY compared to 1880s enmasse arrival of Italians) or cartels ("homegrown"). Look deeper…

Some other notes: This graph, in the financial times article about immigration, indicates 5. 5 deaths per million. The growth is horrible and yet the reality is nothing like the one being lived in by the US. Most hackernews posters often post about gun violence in the US as being something necessary to address and also simultaneously something that does not impact their day to day decisions around errands like the gr…

I dont know where you got the statics from but these do not seem to be comparable values. It most like includes accidents and suicides which have entirely different factors than gun violence and for obvious reason are more likely to be committed with a gun if its easier to get a gun legal. Overall there is however no correlation with more suicide with better firearm access. Suicide attempts/surviving rates can be slightly lower (for obvious reasons). Either way none of these should matter since suicide isn't gun violence.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by ecmascript »

alephnerd wrote: post #114
ecmascript wrote: post #95

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While Sweden absolutely can be much stricter with background checks, in my experience in Scandinavia, y'all are racist jerks. I'm a brown guy who's grown up in North America their entire life, and day-to-day conversations with people there suck. There absolutely seems to be a mentality that if you don't fit a specific trope you can't be Swedish. No amount of token representation in Scandinavian TV will change that. T…

In general, I agree with you. I hate the swedish culture in that aspect. In Sweden, "diversity" is another word for skin color, if you are diverse in how you think or your opinions you will be ousted very quickly and people will distance themselves from you which is most likely why I don't have many friends and have moved many times under my life. Quite often, I don't feel swedish at all.

I kinda agree with the prospect that the swedish right demonizing them but the problem is that it usually comes from bad experiences with immigrants. Immigrants that work, are productive and do their due diligence very few swedes have an issue with.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by injeolmi_love »

timcambrant wrote: post #355
injeolmi_love wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. It’s not even a secret, quite a few intelligence and defense agencies have published reports in this issue. These agencies even intentionally using this process to destabilize target countries first. Based on what I’ve read the agencies haven’t fully recognized that it will eventually come for everyone, though I have seen that written as a scenario. It’s likely effective state agencies will continue to…

Could you please link any of these reports? Not trying to have you google for me; I just couldn't find them.

Don’t apologize, they can be tough to find if you don’t know the jargon.

https://community.apan.org/cfs-file/__key/telligent-evolutio...

See scenario #2: Ascending Powers

https://adminpubs.tradoc.army.mil/pamphlets/TP525-92.pdf

See chapter 7

There’s lots more, hopefully these will get you the keywords to start finding more docs. I’m not a mil guy but know some. Actually part of the strategy is to get civilians more informed on the nature of the changing operating environment, because a lot of areas that used to be considered non military are becoming contested arenas.

Also just to reiterate, I don’t think they’ve made the jump yet to realize that relying on congress for funding is going to get harder.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by ecmascript »

adolph wrote: post #122
ecmascript wrote: post #95

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What makes it to be on the top of your mind? If one considers hereditary-cultural Swedes, they didn’t like their own culture enough to grow it by children or other means. Like the Shakers it will disappear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers

Mostly because there is a shooting happening where my family lives daily or bombs that go off close to where they may be.

But also if I go into a larger town, especially at night, there is very few swedes out in large parts of sweden nowadays. You see immigrant gangs hanging out everywhere and you can't really walk freely in pretty much any city anymore at night without being afraid of being a victim of some crime. Most of the time, people may just threaten you but you never know and there is no idea to call the police because they aren't doing shit and your problems may just become larger if you do.

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