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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by hurryer »

upwardbound wrote: post #577
idontwantthis wrote: post #457

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How does it actually kill a person? When does it stop existing in boxes that require a continuous source of electricity and can’t survive water or fire?

One route is if AI (not through malice but simply through incompetence) plays a part in a terrorist plan to trick the US and China or US and Russia into fighting an unwanted nuclear war. A working group I’m a part of, DISARM:SIMC4, has a lot of papers about this here: https://simc4.org

Since you work on this, do you think leaders will wait until confirmation of actual nuclear detonations, maybe on TV, before believing that a massive attack was launched?

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by basicoperation »

jmerz wrote: post #699
bmitc wrote: post #592

Through all of this, no one has cogently explained why Altman leaving is such a big deal. Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company, and does he even know who these workers are? Are these people that desperate to make a buck (or the prospect of big bucks)? It seems like half of the people working at the non-profit were not actually concerned about the mission but rather just waiting ou…

I think he's not as known in the outside world but it's really difficult to understate the amount of social capital sama has in the inner circles of Silicon Valley. It sounds like he did a good job instilling loyalty as a CEO as well, but the SV thing means that the more connected someone at the company is to the SV ecosystem, the more likely they like him/want to be on his good side. This is kind of like the leaders…

Do you mean “difficult to overstate”?

“Difficult to understate” would mean he has little to no social capital.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by toomuchtodo »

natch wrote: post #721
bmitc wrote: post #709

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So it's a big deal because he has a cult of personality?

I wouldn’t call the entire YC community a cult of personality. And that’s just a subset of his network.

People see what they want to see.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by alsodumb »

bmitc wrote: post #734
alsodumb wrote: post #701

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What's wrong with that statement though? It's the AI era - VCs are going crazy funding AI startups. What makes you think Greg and Sam would have a hard time raising millions/billions and starting a new company in a week if they want to?

How will they come up with the idea? One is an investor and the other is an infrastructure software engineer.

What idea are you talking about? They are not your classic founders coming up with an idea to join Y combinator. They build OpenAI for many years, they know what to do.

It won't be hard for them to hire researchers and engineers, from OpenAI or other places.

Questions like this makes me wonder if you are a troll. I won't continue this thread.

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Post by exitb »

modeless wrote: post #729
exitb wrote: post #696

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Was Sutskever really that instrumental to OpenAI's success, if it was at all possible for him to be surprised at the direction the company is taking. It doesn't seem that he is that involved in the day-to-day operations.

Is operations responsible for their success? Or is it rather their technology?

I understand that we was instrumental in the earlier days, but does it seem like he is involved in the day-to-day work on the technology, today? When the new CEO advocates for a near-pause in AI development, does he mean operations?

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Post by xcv123 »

wonnage wrote: post #608
loveparade wrote: post #396

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Maybe read my comment again? There is no lie. I said accepted, not attended. And if you've ever tried to get into a PhD program at Stanford you'd know that isn't easy unless you have, you know, at least a little bit of knowledge of the field. So the parent claiming that Elon Musk doesn't even know basic Physics is blatantly wrong.

Great so now we're treating getting accepted to a PhD as though you actually completed one. Virtually every STEM graduate from colleges like Stanford is eligible for a graduate program somewhere, it's not that big of a deal

Elon Musk has a degree in physics. So that addresses the original point. He knows basic physics.

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Post by tempusalaria »

vintermann wrote: post #707
tempusalaria wrote: post #528

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The whole situation should make it clear that SV media is beholden to VCs and will print anything they tell them to. Bloomberg, the verge and the information all went to bat for Altman in a big way on this.

I'm also pretty suspicious of people in forums like these who say nothing can compare to GPT4 and they're miles ahead of everyone else etc. How much of that is venture capital speaking? It's not quite where it is (or was) with Tesla, where it was hopeless to know what was sincere and what was just people talking up their investment/talking down their short, but it's getting there.

There are concrete benchmarks like “how good is it at answering multiple choice questions accurately or “how good is it at producing valid code to solve a particular coding problem”.

There’s also a chatbot Elo ranking which crowd sources model comparisons https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboar...

GPT-4 is the king right now

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Post by lajawfe »

vintermann wrote: post #707
tempusalaria wrote: post #528

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The whole situation should make it clear that SV media is beholden to VCs and will print anything they tell them to. Bloomberg, the verge and the information all went to bat for Altman in a big way on this.

I'm also pretty suspicious of people in forums like these who say nothing can compare to GPT4 and they're miles ahead of everyone else etc. How much of that is venture capital speaking? It's not quite where it is (or was) with Tesla, where it was hopeless to know what was sincere and what was just people talking up their investment/talking down their short, but it's getting there.

The crypto bros switched to AI hype and are now hyping OpenAI/GPT4 hoping to pump MSFT/NVDA. In every HN conversation where someone mentions competing products, there are people talking it down and saying GPT4 is miles ahead, and in a tone to undermine the competition. I see a pattern and it is definitely not sincere.

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Post by deeringc »

apstls wrote: post #527
mlindner wrote: post #501

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I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Yes Microsoft uses OpenAI APIs. What is the point you're trying to make beyond that? It's still OpenAI software.

The current models would presumably be accessible for customers regardless of OpenAI’s state. If OpenAI were to hypothetically somehow vanish into thin air, products and features built on their products could still be supported by Azure’s offering.

Sure, but what's the point on building a product on top of a stable API that exposes a technology that won't evolve because it's actual creators have imploded? It remains to be seen whether OpenAI will implode, but at this point it seems the dream team is t getting back together.
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