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Post by dundarious »

ignoramous wrote: post #599
dundarious wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://twitter.com/ashleevance/status/1726469283734274338 > So, here's what happened at OpenAI tonight. Mira planned to hire Sam and Greg back. She turned Team Sam over past couple of days. Idea was to force board to fire everyone, which they figured the board would not do. Board went into total silence. Found their own CEO Emmett Shear Written by the person who broke the story at Bloomberg. So it appears a single p…

Mira isn't on the OpenAI Board.

I genuinely don't remember who's on it, so thanks for the data point. Regardless, my argument is they needn't act in total unanimity.

I presume this Mira person wasn't totally freelancing -- how would this even end up being presented to the board without some direction from someone on the board. So maybe more like 3.5 against 0.5. It could have been a total flip flop, but that's a bigger assumption. I have no problem not assuming grand narratives until the basic reporting shakes out.

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Post by schleck8 »

flylib wrote: post #49

Seems like he liked anti sama stuff as well https://x.com/moridinamael/status/1725893666663768321?s=46

Unless the tweet I saw was fake, he's also decided to slow down pace to 1 or 2 on a scale of 1 to 10. Going to run that company into the floor

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Post by famouswaffles »

hobofan wrote: post #641
bmitc wrote: post #592

Through all of this, no one has cogently explained why Altman leaving is such a big deal. Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company, and does he even know who these workers are? Are these people that desperate to make a buck (or the prospect of big bucks)? It seems like half of the people working at the non-profit were not actually concerned about the mission but rather just waiting ou…

>why else would they bring a hyper-capitalist like Sam Altman on board

They didn't "bring" a hyper capitalist. Sam Co-founded this entire thing lol. He was there from the beginning.

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Post by xcv123 »

15457345234 wrote: post #175
OfficialTurkey wrote: post #166

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I have never used twitter but this strikes me as a strange take at best. Many of the most brilliant and passionate engineers I've had the pleasure to work with have been massive shitposters.

> massive shitposters Yes, agreed, but on _twitter_? The massive_disgruntled_engineer_rant does have a lot of precedent but I've never considered twitter to be their domain. Mailing lists, maybe.

Yes, on Twitter. Mailing lists are old boomer shit.

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Post by ffgjgf1 »

dundarious wrote: post #555
hooande wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this were true they never would have had talks to bring him back. That's the opposite of steadfast commitment to principles. If Sam wronged them or the company in a significant way they never should have let him back in the building. The board's decisions may or may not turn out to be correct in hindsight. But it's very difficult to say that this was a good example of leadership or decision making.

https://twitter.com/ashleevance/status/1726469283734274338 > So, here's what happened at OpenAI tonight. Mira planned to hire Sam and Greg back. She turned Team Sam over past couple of days. Idea was to force board to fire everyone, which they figured the board would not do. Board went into total silence. Found their own CEO Emmett Shear Written by the person who broke the story at Bloomberg. So it appears a single p…

She was the interim CEO not a board member? Considering was supposedly happened appointing her was the smartest thing to do (from the perspective of the board)

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Post by victor9000 »

tdubhro1 wrote: post #263
valine wrote: post #97

Not a word from Ilya. I can’t wrap my mind around his motivation. Did he really fire Sam over “AI safety” concerns? How is that remotely rational.

If it really was about “safety” then why wouldn’t Ilya have made some statement about opening the details of their model at least to some independent researchers under some tight controls. This is what makes it look like a simple power grab, the board has said absolutely nothing about what actions they would take to move toward a safer model of development.

That's because it's not about safety, it's about ego, vanity, and delusion.

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Post by huytersd »

ryanSrich wrote: post #190
chubot wrote: post #108

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What I think is funny is how the whole "we're just doing this to make sure AI is safe" meme breaks down, if you have OpenAI, Anthropic, and Altman AI all competing, which seems likely now. Do you really need all 3? Is each one going to claim that they're the only ones who can develop AGI safely? Since Sam left, now OpenAI is unsafe? But I thought they were the safe ones, and he was being reckless. Or is Sam just goin…

Can someone explain to me what they mean by "safe" AGI? I've looked in many places and everyone is extremely vague. Certainly no one is suggesting these systems can become "alive", so what exactly are we trying to remain safe from? Job loss?

They give it stupid terms like “alignment” to make it opaque to the common person. It’s basically sitting on your hands and pointing to sci-fi as to why progress should be stopped.

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Post by djha-skin »

Alright, cool, they stuck to their guns about being not-for-profit, and they want to be more mission focused than profit/product focused.

Why, then, did they bring in THE CO-FOUNDER OF TWITCH to help them out? Seems like an off-brand thing to do for a group of people focused on "the mission".

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Post by nearbuy »

didibus wrote: post #569
ansk wrote: post #448

The contrast between the media's depiction of today's events with this outcome demonstrates how much Sam and his aligned interests can influence a narrative. The vast majority of reporting indicated that Sam held all the leverage, the board members were about to be fired, and a new board would be appointed which would be much better aligned with Sam. These accounts took special care to portray the current board as in…

I'm still surprised how little attention there has been on the fact that Sam Altman's sister is accusing him of sexually assaulting her when she was younger. His own sister, even if it's not true, it reflects poorly to have this kind of relationship with your sister that she'd say this, and if it's true, it's very problematic. And for some reason, very very little mention of this. I just find it suspicious from a med…

No, this is the proper way to handle accusations from someone who may not be credible. You investigate privately, and only report after, if the accusations seem credible. You don't blast across the media that so-and-so is accused of sexual assault, because then the damage is done, regardless of the truth. Signal boost it enough, and every lay-person's main association with the person will become, "oh, that guy accused of sexually assaulting his sister".

The accusations are about events 25 years ago, when they were children. No one will ever be able to disprove this, so there's no way to undo the reputational damage.

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