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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

alex_young wrote: post #257
alsodumb wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much every researcher I know at OpenAI who are on twitter re-tweeted Sam Atlman's heart tweet with their own heart or some other supportive message. I'm sure that's a sign that they are all team Sam - this includes a ton of researchers you see on most papers that came out of OpenAI. That's a good chunk of their research team and that'd be a very big loss. Also there are tons of engineers (and I know a few of t…

The heart tweet rebellion is about as meaningful as adding a hashtag supporting one side of your favorite conflict. Come on. “By 5 pm everyone will quit if you don’t do x”. Response: tens of heart emojis.

Talk is easy. But also the good employees will be paid well to get poached.

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Post by djvdq »

ethbr1 wrote: post #269
alsodumb wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if it's a big sample set. There's a guy on twitter who make a list with every OpenAI researcher he could find on twitter and almost all of them did react to Sams tweet in a supportive way.

How childish are employees to publicly get involved with this on Twitter? If the CEO of my company got shitcanned and then he/she and the board were feuding? ... I'd talk to my colleagues and friends privately, and not go anywhere near the dumpster fire publicly. If I felt strongly, hell, turn in my resignation. But 100% "no comment" in public.

> You should find a better place to work.

Work is work. If you start being emotional about it, it's a bad, not good, thing.

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Post by AmericanOP »

robbomacrae wrote: post #388
AmericanOP wrote: post #305

I think you're mistakingly thinking Mira Murati was on the board. That is not the case. The board is Adam D'Angelo, Helen Toner, Ilya Sutskever, and Tasha McCauley after Sam and Greg were removed. Mira Murati was not involved except for the fact she was made the initial replacement. For all we know she had no information on what happened when she was asked to step in.

Noted! Thanks

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Post by dragonwriter »

ryanSrich wrote: post #190
chubot wrote: post #108

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What I think is funny is how the whole "we're just doing this to make sure AI is safe" meme breaks down, if you have OpenAI, Anthropic, and Altman AI all competing, which seems likely now. Do you really need all 3? Is each one going to claim that they're the only ones who can develop AGI safely? Since Sam left, now OpenAI is unsafe? But I thought they were the safe ones, and he was being reckless. Or is Sam just goin…

Can someone explain to me what they mean by "safe" AGI? I've looked in many places and everyone is extremely vague. Certainly no one is suggesting these systems can become "alive", so what exactly are we trying to remain safe from? Job loss?

> Certainly no one is suggesting these systems can become "alive",

Lots of people have been publicly suggesting that, and that, if not properly aligned, it poses an existential risk to human civilization; that group includes pretty much the entire founding team of OpenAI, including Altman.

The perception of that risk as the downside, as well as the perception that on the other side there is the promise of almost unlimited upside for humanity from properly aligned AI, is pretty much the entire motivation for the OpenAI nonprofit.

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Post by tempsy »

threeseed wrote: post #178
alsodumb wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much every researcher I know at OpenAI who are on twitter re-tweeted Sam Atlman's heart tweet with their own heart or some other supportive message. I'm sure that's a sign that they are all team Sam - this includes a ton of researchers you see on most papers that came out of OpenAI. That's a good chunk of their research team and that'd be a very big loss. Also there are tons of engineers (and I know a few of t…

Team Sam = Team Money. If you're an employee at OpenAI there is a huge opportunity to leave and get in early with decent equity at potentially the next giant tech company. Pretty sure everyone at OpenAI's HQ in San Francisco remembers how many overnight millionaires Facebook's IPO created.

being a lowly millionaire doesn’t get you much these days. almost certainly anyone who was hired into a mid level or senior role was probably already at least a millionaire

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Post by mfiguiere »

TheInformation: Dozens of Staffers Quit OpenAI After Sutskever Says Altman Won’t Return

>Dozens of OpenAI staffers internally announced they were quitting the company Sunday night, said a person with knowledge of the situation, after board director and chief scientist Ilya Sutskever told employees that fired CEO Sam Altman would not return.

https://www.theinformation.com/articles/dozens-of-staffers-q...

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by robbomacrae »

russellbeattie wrote: post #331

Reality check for those who need it: Altman won't be starting a competing company. First, he may have contractual restrictions and second, OpenAI owns their IP. And even if Altman is somehow free to do what he wants because he was fired (doubtful), anyone who quits to go with him surely do have airtight non-competes. Besides, it's not like Sam and his few loyalists are just going to spin up a few servers and duplicat…

Want to bet? Altman has been building himself as the public face of AI and won't let that go so easily. It's not like his world coin is taking off...

And non competes can be as airtight as you like.. they are completely unenforceable in California which is where OpenAI's HQ is based and where Sam Altman lives.

First the loyal will jump ship. Followed quickly by the mercenaries who see the chance to join a new rocket ship from the ground up. Then as OpenAI's shares tank on the secondary market the rest will decide they've seen enough of their paper money burn and cash out.

OpenAI will survive but its going to be a much smaller company and a much smaller valuation.

As for Microsoft I'm guessing one of the strings Nadella was pulling was threatening to revoke credits, resources and even use by his teams and I'm sure he would be interested in investing in whatever Altman starts next and dedicating those now spare machines to the new enterprise.

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

threeseed wrote: post #65
kuter wrote: post #48

I wonder if the recent departure of Kyle Vogt from Cruise is related. Emmett Shear and Kyle Vogt founded Twitch together.

It would make a lot of sense. Kyle knows the space, is already wealthy and has always been pretty altruistic. And the fact that Emmett is only interim should give you a hint something is up.

On the other hand, if Kyle was ousted for pushing too hard too fast at Cruise, that seems like out of the frying pan into the fire. See https://archive.is/Vqjpr

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Post by astrange »

rf15 wrote: post #326

This entire show will damage Altman and what remains of OpenAI equally - OpenAI because of its unprofessional way of dealing with internal problems, and Altman, well, there's apparently a reason they were unhappy with him.

They were apparently unhappy with him because he's too good at business, so I think his reputation is intact.

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Post by juped »

yreg wrote: post #202
bufferoverflow wrote: post #126

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Because that's not the actual reason. It looks like a hostile takeover. The "king" of, arguably, the most important company in the world, got kicked out with very little effort. It's pretty extraordinary, and the power shift is extraordinary too.

The board firing a CEO is hardly a hostile takeover.

Boards have exactly one job.

(It's firing the CEO, if anyone wasn't aware.)

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