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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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post #16

You can hear Microsoft’s billions going up in flames. You literally couldn’t make this stuff up.

The amount of cash that Microsoft has paid to OpenAI is relatively small, much less than the $13B number that gets thrown around.

And I'm sure they're getting their money's worth. E.g. the last time I heard or thought of Bing (outside of the ChatGPT context) was years ago. Now I see it all the time. That's worth $$$$$ to them.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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post #97

Not a word from Ilya. I can’t wrap my mind around his motivation. Did he really fire Sam over “AI safety” concerns? How is that remotely rational.

Because that's not the actual reason. It looks like a hostile takeover. The "king" of, arguably, the most important company in the world, got kicked out with very little effort. It's pretty extraordinary, and the power shift is extraordinary too.

The board firing a CEO is hardly a hostile takeover.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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post #97

Not a word from Ilya. I can’t wrap my mind around his motivation. Did he really fire Sam over “AI safety” concerns? How is that remotely rational.

> Did he really fire Sam over "AI safety" concerns? How is that remotely rational.

Not rational iff (and unlike Sustkever, Hinton, Bengio) you are not a "doomer" / "decel". Ilya's very vocal and on record that he suspects there may be "something else" going on with these models. He and DeepMind claim AlphaGo is already AGI (correction: ASI) in a very narrow domain (https://www.arxiv-vanity.com/papers/2311.02462/). Ilya particularly predicts it is a given that Neural Networks would achieve broad AGI (superintelligence) before alignment is figured out, unless researchers start putting more resources in it.

(like LeCun, I am not a doomer; but I am also not Hinton to know any better)

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they don't get Altman back, Altman starts a new company AkshuallyOpenAI and most talent moves there. They quickly get the funding and the contracts with MS. OpenAI is left in the dust.

You know, we are dealing with people and people think differently so they won't move altogether. Moving to a new company under Alt is not an easy choice, at least the new company: - Does not yet have a big model (need $$$ and months to train, if code is ready) - Does not have proprietary code OpenAI has right now - Does not have labeled data ($$$ and time) and chatgpt logs - Does not have ChatGpt brand...

I thought GPT-4 was not trained on labeled data, but simply on a large volume of text / code. Most of it is publicly accessible: wikipedia, archives of scientific articles, books, github, plus probably purchased data from text-heavy sites like Reddit.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

#207

Can’t wait to see how many staffers who said they would quit sheep their way into the office tomorrow to collect their million dollar salaries Thanks Sam we bluffed but no way we quiting

Yeah it does seem Ilya was smart enough to realize the overwhelming majority of people get caught up in the emotion of these things, but rarely act on their promises when money is involved. I guess we'll see in the coming weeks who quits, but I doubt it'll be significant. Perhaps once Altman gets another company stood up and has billions in the bank to pay people it'll be a different story.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Her move makes even less sense than what the board did. The board told her the day before that they're firing Sam, so she obviously accepted it. But, one day later she caves and sides with Sam (that's what the heart tweet means)? That's weak leadership and resolve.

Who sends heart emojis to their boss? Is this level of sycophancy normal nowadays?

Apparently, OpenAI President Greg Brockman doesn't use uppercase letters in his official communications with employees. So I'm not surprised.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

#210

This is surreal! Are we watching Silicon Valley season 7? Laurie Breem is this your doing? Are going through every CEO you can find in an attempt to get Sam Altman to realize he was the right person all along?

Murati walked, so this new ceo is the interim replacement. That’s independent of rejecting sama.
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