Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down • Hacker News Board

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by dylan604 » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 6:35 AM UTC

ethbr1 wrote: post #269

alsodumb wrote: post #170

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Not if it's a big sample set. There's a guy on twitter who make a list with every OpenAI researcher he could find on twitter and almost all of them did react to Sams tweet in a supportive way.

How childish are employees to publicly get involved with this on Twitter? If the CEO of my company got shitcanned and then he/she and the board were feuding? ... I'd talk to my colleagues and friends privately, and not go anywhere near the dumpster fire publicly. If I felt strongly, hell, turn in my resignation. But 100% "no comment" in public.

These are people very active on Twitter and work for a company that unashamedly harvested all of the data it could for free with out asking to make money. It's not like shame and self-respect are allowed anywhere near this company.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by mlyle » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 6:35 AM UTC

ethbr1 wrote: post #309

bnralt wrote: post #289

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> Aligning a super intelligence with our desires is a problem that no one has solved yet. It's a problem that we haven't seen the existence of yet. It's like saying no one has solved the problem of alien invasions.

No, the problem with AGI is potential exponential growth. So less like an alien invasion. And more like a pandemic at the speed of light.

That's assuming a big overshoot of human intelligence and goal-seeking. An average human capability counts as "AGI."

If lots of the smartest human minds make AGI, and it exceeds a mediocre human-- why assume it can make itself more efficient or bigger? Indeed, even if it's smarter than the collective effort of the scientists that made it, there's no real guarantee that there's lots of low hanging fruit for it to self-improve.

I think the near problem with AGI isn't a potential tech singularity, but instead just the tendency for it potentially to be societally destabilizing.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by 15457345234 » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 6:35 AM UTC

ethbr1 wrote: post #269

alsodumb wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if it's a big sample set. There's a guy on twitter who make a list with every OpenAI researcher he could find on twitter and almost all of them did react to Sams tweet in a supportive way.

How childish are employees to publicly get involved with this on Twitter? If the CEO of my company got shitcanned and then he/she and the board were feuding? ... I'd talk to my colleagues and friends privately, and not go anywhere near the dumpster fire publicly. If I felt strongly, hell, turn in my resignation. But 100% "no comment" in public.

tl;dr: Any OAI employee tweeting about this is unhinged.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by yeck » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 6:35 AM UTC

Tohhou wrote: post #179

Embarrassing for OpenAI.

I'm actually pretty impressed that they are sticking to their (non-profit) charter against so much pressure. While this was not a "clean" maneuverer I'm not really in a position to judge, given my lack of context. Perhaps there could have been a better execution, but it was the willingness to act when it would not be easy that I think matters most.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 6:36 AM UTC

ethbr1 wrote: post #269

alsodumb wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if it's a big sample set. There's a guy on twitter who make a list with every OpenAI researcher he could find on twitter and almost all of them did react to Sams tweet in a supportive way.

How childish are employees to publicly get involved with this on Twitter? If the CEO of my company got shitcanned and then he/she and the board were feuding? ... I'd talk to my colleagues and friends privately, and not go anywhere near the dumpster fire publicly. If I felt strongly, hell, turn in my resignation. But 100% "no comment" in public.

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Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by ergocoder » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 6:36 AM UTC

698969 wrote: post #221

ergocoder wrote: post #193

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Most employees are on the profit-sharing-esque compensation. And guess what OpenAI will not be focusing on? Profit. They are not gonna quit tomorrow. They will leave over time due to the low compensation.

*lower compensation

*much lower...

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by astrange » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 6:36 AM UTC

bottlepalm wrote: post #182

karmasimida wrote: post #156

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Survive as existing? They will. But this is a disaster that can't be sugarcoated. Working in an AI company with a doomer as head is ridiculous. It will be like working in a tobacco company advocating for lung cancer awareness. I don't think the new CEO can do anything to get back trust in record short amount of time. The sam loyalists will leave. The question remain, how is the new CEO going to hire new people, and w…

Ah yes you're either a doomer or e/acc. Pick an extreme. Everything must be polarized.

There's a character in HPMOR named after the new CEO.

(That's the religious text of the anti-AI cult that founded OpenAI. It's in the form of a very long Harry Potter fanfic.)

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by robbomacrae » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 6:36 AM UTC

AmericanOP wrote: post #305

I think you're mistakingly thinking Mira Murati was on the board. That is not the case. The board is Adam D'Angelo, Helen Toner, Ilya Sutskever, and Tasha McCauley after Sam and Greg were removed. Mira Murati was not involved except for the fact she was made the initial replacement. For all we know she had no information on what happened when she was asked to step in.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by dorkwood » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 6:36 AM UTC

15457345234 wrote: post #274

dorkwood wrote: post #228

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> It's always been my observation that the actual heavyweights of any hardcore engineering project are the ones that avoid snarky lightweight platforms like twitter like the plague. What other places are there to engage with the developer community?

Engagement is not necessarily constructive engagement

That's a strange thing to say. I find a lot of value in the developer community on Twitter. I wouldn't have my career without it.

I also wasn't being facetious. If there are other places to share work and ideas with developers online, I'd love to hear about them!

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by icy_deadposts » Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 6:37 AM UTC

blockwriter wrote: post #243

icy_deadposts wrote: post #173

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I can’t understand this perspective. Why? What’s one guy being fired going to mean in the grand scheme of ai’s development?

There are 10s or 100s of thousands of programmers working on AI, but only one team under the guidance of Sam has been able to make the progress we've seen with ChatGPT and that is massively jeopardized now by this drama.