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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Because that's not the actual reason. It looks like a hostile takeover. The "king" of, arguably, the most important company in the world, got kicked out with very little effort. It's pretty extraordinary, and the power shift is extraordinary too.

The board firing a CEO is hardly a hostile takeover.

If you fire one board member (Altman) and remove another from the board (Brockman) it's not exactly friendly either

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There are investors including sequoia, Tiger Global and Microsoft[1]. They may well have standing to sue. [1] Sorry - the full list is behind a paywall https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/openai/company_finan...

I believe those are investor the in for-profit organization while the board is responsible for the non-profit org, and I believe the for-profit is bound to the mission of the non profit but not the other way around. But I'm sure someone here knows the legal structure better than I do, I just quickly skimmed over https://openai.com/our-structure

That's why I said they may well have standing to sue. It's going to get messy if it goes there for sure.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Even funnier is someone (in a now flagged and dead'd post) accused me of being a misogynist for daring to even think of questioning her experience or capability as CEO. If you are CEO for a day do you get to wear a paper crown like at Burger King?

I don't know if you're misogynist but her qualifications are fine. She's not CEO anymore because she wanted Sam and Greg back not because she somehow failed her 1 day duties.

I'm not disputing her qualifications but going to war against the board is failing your duties. In a for profit it can work if you have your shareholders on your side but it's clear here that this maneuver can't work.

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Can’t wait to see how many staffers who said they would quit sheep their way into the office tomorrow to collect their million dollar salaries Thanks Sam we bluffed but no way we quiting

Their PPUs go to zero if there is no profit to be made and the 85B tender offer is likely also off. I suspect this makes it easier for many of them to quit

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What I think is funny is how the whole "we're just doing this to make sure AI is safe" meme breaks down, if you have OpenAI, Anthropic, and Altman AI all competing, which seems likely now. Do you really need all 3? Is each one going to claim that they're the only ones who can develop AGI safely? Since Sam left, now OpenAI is unsafe? But I thought they were the safe ones, and he was being reckless. Or is Sam just goin…

Can someone explain to me what they mean by "safe" AGI? I've looked in many places and everyone is extremely vague. Certainly no one is suggesting these systems can become "alive", so what exactly are we trying to remain safe from? Job loss?

Death.

The default consequence of AGI's arrival is doom. Aligning a super intelligence with our desires is a problem that no one has solved yet.

"The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else."

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Listen to Dwarkesh Podcast with Eliezer or Carl Shulman to know more about this.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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I still cannot process what’s happened to one of the most prominent and hyped companies of the past year in just one weekend. If it’s true that Altman won’t return to OpenAI (or alternatively: that the current board won’t step down) then where does that leave OpenAI? Microsoft can’t be happy, as evidenced by reporting that Nadella was acting as mediator to bring him back. Does OpenAI survive this? Will be super inter…

Don't fully believe this, but the only rational explanation I can see is that Ilya knows they have AGI.

   - Nuke employee morale: massive attrition, not getting upside (tender offer),
   - Nuke the talent magnet: who's going to want to work there now?
   - Nuke Microsoft relationship: all those GPUs gone,
   - Nuke future fundraising: who's going to fund this shit show?
Just doesn't make sense.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Hopefully this leads to a lot of internal dissent and someone leaks the models

Would be fun to see the training material, source code (engine & training data scraping systems), and models all leak. With Sam not returning that would be the double tap the now-zombie OpenAI'd need.
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