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OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by hotnfresh »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #234
frabcus wrote: post #209

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Worse. Which is exactly why superintelligence is scary - it'll make the humans around it go wild for power, and then it will be impossible (by definition) to predict.

Huh. I imagined many scenarios, including the more obvious and dangerous one, "AI manipulating people unaware of its existence" - but I never considered a scenario in which the AI makes its existence widely known, and perhaps presents itself as more dangerous than it is, and then it just starts slightly nudging all the people racing to take control over it.

Both are too complicated. All a true AI has to do to get control of everything is promise 10% annual returns and guaranteed victory in battle. Limited-time offer, sign up today.

Done.

Any actual AI takeover will be boring and largely voluntary. For certain definitions of voluntary.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by shmatt »

agnosticmantis wrote: post #394

Many are speculating that Sam Altman could just move on and create another OpenAI 2.0 because he could easily attract talent and investors. What this misses is all the regulatory capture that he’s been campaigning for. All the platforms have now closed their gardens. Authors and artists are much more vigilant about copyright etc. So it’s now a totally different game compared to 3 years ago because the data is not jus…

Exactly. If new Altman AI company is the next big thing, then Astral AI is the next trillion dollar company

Easier said than done

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by philistine »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #438
philistine wrote: post #423

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That does not sound like the proper way to do an openAI 2.0. If Reddit ever hears that's how an AI company scraped them, they'll get sued for fun and profits.

you're aware openai trained on a boatload of pirated ebooks? they "steal" access to data because the LLM launders it on the other end

That is frustrating to no end. If I pirate one book I should pay a hefty fine. If a company does it it's unlocking untapped value.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by tstrimple »

staticman2 wrote: post #71
Simon_ORourke wrote: post #39

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That's the choice isn't it. Either reinstall Sam Altman and sack the board, or move the funding to whatever entity he goes and sets up next.

I've seen people say this but why would Microsoft fund a new Altman startup instead of spending that money on developing their own AI owned by Microsoft?

The moat isn’t very deep or wide here. It does exist, but most FAANG (including Microsoft) should be able to overcome it with the right investments. Microsoft is probably best positioned to leverage this tech with the integration they have been pursuing across most of their products. They have probably mage better use of “OpenAI” than any other company and are in the best position to replace them.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by ejstronge »

az226 wrote: post #426
philistine wrote: post #423

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That does not sound like the proper way to do an openAI 2.0. If Reddit ever hears that's how an AI company scraped them, they'll get sued for fun and profits.

You can legally scrape anything that does not require a login in the US. You can also legally train an AI on it for now.

Are you referring to the LinkedIn case? There has not been a decision on the legality of scraping in that matter

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Post by dbmikus »

robbomacrae wrote: post #422
sensanaty wrote: post #402

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I've always viewed it as more of a hacker's hangout with the unfortunate side-effect of being YC-sponsored being that you sometimes have to put up with some dumb corporate news here and there, but it seems to be going in a slightly different direction for a while now (or more likely I was just always wrong on this one :P).

There is an enormous YC bias here. ShowHN posts from new YC startups are upvoted instantly whilst most from outside are ignored - the ones you see are the exception. The HN rules state you are not meant to play the game of asking people to boost your post but it seems like time and time again they co-ordinate, or allow it, for the insiders.

I think Show HN posts from YC startups are actually boosted by the system. Same with the hiring posts for YC startups. So it's not people, but explicitly coded in.

But I don't know if this is truly the case.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by lmm »

junofan wrote: post #386
lmm wrote: post #350

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> That is, the board should have realistically known that there will be a huge arms race for AI dominance. Some would say that's capitalism - I say that's just human nature. So the board of OpenAI was in a unique position to help guide AI advancement in as safe a manner as possible because they had the most advanced AI system. They may have thought Altman was pushing too hard on the commercial side, but there are a m…

Why should anybody involved put up with this sort of behavior? Smearing the CEO? Ousting the chairman? Jeopardizing key supplier relationships? It’s ridiculous.

> Why should anybody involved put up with this sort of behavior? Smearing the CEO? Ousting the chairman? Jeopardizing key supplier relationships?

Whether it was "smearing" or uncovering actual wrongdoing depends on the facts of the matter, which will hopefully emerge in due course. A board should absolutely be able and willing to fire the CEO, oust the chairman, and jeopardize supplier relationships if the circumstances warrant it. They're the board, that's what they're for!

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by okillbite »

jjeaff wrote: post #262
danenania wrote: post #225

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I think Sam has been given credit for being a good CEO and leader, which clearly is deserved. I've never heard him take credit for technical accomplishments. Ilya has been doing plenty of talks, podcasts, etc.--if anyone's the technical face of OpenAI, it's him. There's no lack of praise or credit given to him. "Just speculating on how it might feel to Ilya watching Sam go on a world tour meeting heads of state to ta…

I'm a developer and have used Open AI as a beta user from before their public launch and been interested in the structure and business side of AI and had never heard of Ilya until this recent blowup. I'm just one data point, but my guess is that the vast, vast majority of the public that knows anything about AI has also never heard of Ilya.

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Post by tsunamifury »

cthalupa wrote: post #302
tsunamifury wrote: post #283

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How’d that work out for them?

They still exist and put out a product used by quite a few people, so quite well? You can't judge a non-profit by the same success metrics as a for-profit.

They have been a consistent downward spiral into irrelevance. So I’d say … not fine.

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Post by hfjjbf »

Aeolun wrote: post #334
croes wrote: post #264

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>Everyone who can sign a check is dying to get in on this. All the smart talent in the world would love to be employee number 1 through 1000. That's sound like the riad to disaster. People who can sign a check and are dying to get in on this, usually lack any moral or ethics. Not a smart move to work for those people just because you fell for a clever salesman.

The alternative is to work for poor idealists, which isn’t generally very good for putting bread on the table. Something tells me most people are going to go for fucktons of money and working on what they think is interesting. Even if it makes other people even more money.

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