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OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by sensanaty »

junofan wrote: post #376
sensanaty wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the dude with a billion connections managed to use them to get cash for the startup that deals with the most insanely overhyped piece of technology to have ever been created. No mention of the people actually responsible for any of this? Y'know, the scientists and engineers that actually had to do something to create the crazy technology he's taking credit for, the noteworthy dude is the generic MBA C-suite type t…

I don’t think any customer or user of OpenAI wants to see their supplier managed by that board. Who cares about some guy.

And I think you overestimate how much people care about CEO/board politicking. Will OpenAI's APIs still exist? Yes? I guarantee you no one other than other CEOs hoping to ride on Sam's coattails will give a shit then

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by mlyle »

zug_zug wrote: post #348
silenced_trope wrote: post #330

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> This is why, when you claim to be running a non-profit to "benefit humankind," you shouldn't put all your resources into a for-profit subsidiary. To be frank, they need to really spell out what "benefitting mankind" is. How is it measured? Or is it measured? Or is it just "the board says this isn't doing that so it's not doing that"? It's honestly a silly slogan.

They should define it, sure. Here's what I'd expect this means: - Not limiting access to a universally profitable technology by making it only accessible to highest bidder (e.g. hire our virtual assistants for 30k a year). - Making models with a mind to all threats (existential, job replacement, scam uses) - Potentially open-sourcing models that are deemed safe So far I genuinely believe they are doing the first two…

If they jack the prices, they leave too wide a door for other entrants.

Right now, OpenAI mostly has a big cost advantage; fully exploiting that requires lower pricing and high volume.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by didip »

sensanaty wrote: post #336

Why are people suddenly jacking Altman off so hard? What has this non-technical dude done other than trying to corner the AI market for himself and implementing insane bullshit like worldcoin for him to deserve such weird devotion?

It’s not hard to imagine why relevant people want him to stay.

They all want to get the big payday, including Microsoft.

People are in the startup game for the big payday. And Sam Altman is the best person given where OpenAI is at right now.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by ferminaut »

sensanaty wrote: post #361
paulddraper wrote: post #343

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Um...what He's secured the resources and partnerships to grow a $100B company virtually overnight, but he hasn't done anything noteworthy or laudible? HN takes are the best. Humor really is the best medicine.

So the dude with a billion connections managed to use them to get cash for the startup that deals with the most insanely overhyped piece of technology to have ever been created. No mention of the people actually responsible for any of this? Y'know, the scientists and engineers that actually had to do something to create the crazy technology he's taking credit for, the noteworthy dude is the generic MBA C-suite type t…

Do yourself a favor and integrate GPT4 into your workflow.

I use it probably 20 times a day at this point.

example: "I ran performance tests on two systems, here's the results of system 1, and heres the results of system 2. Summarize the results, and build a markdown table containing x,y,z rows."

"extract the reusable functions out of this bash script"

"write me a cfssl command to generate a intermediate CA"

"What is the regex for _____"

"Here are my accomplishments over the last 6 months, summarize them into a 1 page performance report."

etc etc etc

If you're not using GPT4 or some LLM as part of your daily flow you're working too hard.

Get GPT4All (https://gpt4all.io), log into OpenAI, drop $20 on your account, get a API key, and start using GPT4.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by voidfunc »

sensanaty wrote: post #336

Why are people suddenly jacking Altman off so hard? What has this non-technical dude done other than trying to corner the AI market for himself and implementing insane bullshit like worldcoin for him to deserve such weird devotion?

This website gets so fucking salty about business people.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by junofan »

lmm wrote: post #350
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #249

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The problem, though, is without the huge commercial and societal success of ChatGPT, the AI Safety camp had no real leverage over the direction of AI advancement worldwide. I mean, there are tons of think tanks, advocacy organizations, etc. that write lots of AI safety papers that nobody reads. I'm kind of piqued at the OpenAI board not because I think they had the wrong intentions, but because they failed to see tha…

> That is, the board should have realistically known that there will be a huge arms race for AI dominance. Some would say that's capitalism - I say that's just human nature. So the board of OpenAI was in a unique position to help guide AI advancement in as safe a manner as possible because they had the most advanced AI system. They may have thought Altman was pushing too hard on the commercial side, but there are a m…

Why should anybody involved put up with this sort of behavior? Smearing the CEO? Ousting the chairman? Jeopardizing key supplier relationships? It’s ridiculous.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by himaraya »

silenced_trope wrote: post #367
himaraya wrote: post #358

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Elon at least backs Ilya. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1726376406785925566?s=61...

> Ilya has a good moral compass and does not seek power. At this point that coming from Elon may not be the endorsement you think it is. Also maybe Elon sees that Ilya is going to be ousted and wants to extend a hand to him before others do.

Regardless, Elon appears to back the board contrary to the suggestion above.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by yedava »

sensanaty wrote: post #336

Why are people suddenly jacking Altman off so hard? What has this non-technical dude done other than trying to corner the AI market for himself and implementing insane bullshit like worldcoin for him to deserve such weird devotion?

Historically, whenever there was an inflection point for a new technology, you'd have lots of people working on the same problem, and whoever cracks the problem first is put of pedestal. Revisionist history is built around that one person asserting that if it weren't for them, that said technology would never have materialized.

We're just seeing a variation of that playing out live. There are multiple teams working on AI, ChatGPT got "there" first and now we have a single heroic figure to worship. Personality cults seem to be a part of the quintessential human condition.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by sensanaty »

ferminaut wrote: post #384
sensanaty wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the dude with a billion connections managed to use them to get cash for the startup that deals with the most insanely overhyped piece of technology to have ever been created. No mention of the people actually responsible for any of this? Y'know, the scientists and engineers that actually had to do something to create the crazy technology he's taking credit for, the noteworthy dude is the generic MBA C-suite type t…

Do yourself a favor and integrate GPT4 into your workflow. I use it probably 20 times a day at this point. example: "I ran performance tests on two systems, here's the results of system 1, and heres the results of system 2. Summarize the results, and build a markdown table containing x,y,z rows." "extract the reusable functions out of this bash script" "write me a cfssl command to generate a intermediate CA" "What is…

I had a subscription but found it useless for any actual difficult problem that you can't just find elsewhere online with a bit more effort, and I don't tend to struggle with trivial shit. Also not interested in being a "prompt engineer".

But still, irrelevant, I didn't comment on whether it's good or bad, I just said it's overhyped, and comments like these never fail to come up when someone says anything even slightly negative about the tech.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by hotnfresh »

rvnx wrote: post #288
junofan wrote: post #286

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Their actions were reckless and irresponsible. They are currently picking their successors. The incompetence is staggering regardless of motive.

We're still waiting for the explanations from Altman about the alleged involvement in spending time on conflicting companies while he is CEO at OpenAI. According to FT this could be the cause for the firing: “Sam has a company called Oklo, and [was trying to launch] a device company and a chip company (for AI). The rank and file at OpenAI don’t dispute those are important. The dispute is that OpenAI doesn’t own a pie…

Isn’t it amazing how companies worry about lowly, ordinary employees moonlighting, but C-suiters and board members being involved in several ventures is totally normal?
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