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OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by junofan »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #227
skwirl wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s pretty clearly just a power play by four of the board members. Keep in mind Sam was part of the board and Greg Brockman was chairman of the board, so this was 4 board members ousting 2 other board members. OpenAI execs have already said it wasn’t for wrongdoing.

A majority of the board removing a minority of the board doesn’t seem like a power play to me. If the opposite were somehow achieved, e.g. through persuading one member of the majority to vote against their own interests, and using the chairman’s casting vote, that would be a power play. Also, the executive who said it wasn’t for malfeasance wasn’t himself on the board and appears to be trying to push for Altman’s re…

You’re saying the board is trying to bring back an employee they know committed malfeasance?

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Post by consumer451 »

sensanaty wrote: post #361
paulddraper wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um...what He's secured the resources and partnerships to grow a $100B company virtually overnight, but he hasn't done anything noteworthy or laudible? HN takes are the best. Humor really is the best medicine.

So the dude with a billion connections managed to use them to get cash for the startup that deals with the most insanely overhyped piece of technology to have ever been created. No mention of the people actually responsible for any of this? Y'know, the scientists and engineers that actually had to do something to create the crazy technology he's taking credit for, the noteworthy dude is the generic MBA C-suite type t…

> the most insanely overhyped piece of technology to have ever been created.

Copying and pasting code from ChatGPT, I created a functional iOS app today based on my design. I have never before written a mobile app, any Swift code, or much of any code aside from Power Apps, in at least 15 years.

I am on that hype train.

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Post by piuantiderp »

pyaamb wrote: post #186

Does the story of Sam raising funds from Saudi investors to start a AI Chip company have any relevance to what happened or is that just a nothing-burger? I don't any people on HN discussing it today

I mean a good question is how would this be structured. Would it be a new SamAltman company or was it to be part of OpenAI? If so, was it to be a profit or non-profit?

The thing is starting to look more and more like, become the biggest name in AI through claiming non-profit status, leverage the brand to go for profit.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by sensanaty »

mym1990 wrote: post #368
sensanaty wrote: post #336

Why are people suddenly jacking Altman off so hard? What has this non-technical dude done other than trying to corner the AI market for himself and implementing insane bullshit like worldcoin for him to deserve such weird devotion?

The fact that you think Altman came around yesterday just shows that you live under a rock. The fact that you think “non-technical” people don’t contribute meaningful value is also worrisome.

If the rock doesn't have people like Altman and his cult followers, then I'd say it's a cozy spot for me to be in.

> The fact that you think “non-technical” people don’t contribute meaningful value to anything means you are stupid

Happy to call myself an imbecile in this case!

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by irishloop »

jessenaser wrote: post #58
janejeon wrote: post #31

So the discussions are definitely happening it seems: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726345564059832609

Bonus perspective: https://twitter.com/jasonkwon/status/1726348678116548979

I... don't know what I expected

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by junofan »

sensanaty wrote: post #361
paulddraper wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um...what He's secured the resources and partnerships to grow a $100B company virtually overnight, but he hasn't done anything noteworthy or laudible? HN takes are the best. Humor really is the best medicine.

So the dude with a billion connections managed to use them to get cash for the startup that deals with the most insanely overhyped piece of technology to have ever been created. No mention of the people actually responsible for any of this? Y'know, the scientists and engineers that actually had to do something to create the crazy technology he's taking credit for, the noteworthy dude is the generic MBA C-suite type t…

I don’t think any customer or user of OpenAI wants to see their supplier managed by that board. Who cares about some guy.

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Post by himaraya »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #359
sensanaty wrote: post #336

Why are people suddenly jacking Altman off so hard? What has this non-technical dude done other than trying to corner the AI market for himself and implementing insane bullshit like worldcoin for him to deserve such weird devotion?

Why do you say "non-technical" ? That's clearly wrong. Just because someone is no longer hands on keys, doesn't make them non-technical. Are larry and sergey non-technical? The collison brothers? None of them are hands on keys anymore. The answer to the question is - even people who don't like him realize he's a smart guy and this was a dumb move, and it was done in an amateurish way by a board out of their depth.

No longer? Sam has never substantially dealt with the underlying code for OpenAI, compared to say Demis Hassabis. He resembles Brian Chesky & Joe Gebbia more than Nathan Blecharczyk.

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Post by sensanaty »

consumer451 wrote: post #372
sensanaty wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the dude with a billion connections managed to use them to get cash for the startup that deals with the most insanely overhyped piece of technology to have ever been created. No mention of the people actually responsible for any of this? Y'know, the scientists and engineers that actually had to do something to create the crazy technology he's taking credit for, the noteworthy dude is the generic MBA C-suite type t…

> the most insanely overhyped piece of technology to have ever been created. Copying and pasting code from ChatGPT, I created a functional iOS app today based on my design. I have never before written a mobile app, any Swift code, or much of any code aside from Power Apps, in at least 15 years. I am on that hype train.

I didn't comment on whether the tech is good or bad, I just said it's overhyped (and you more or less proved my point).

And again, what exactly has Sam himself done to bring about the tech? Without Ilya and the rest of the engineers and researchers you wouldn't have been able to copy/paste the code, why exactly is Sam the one that gets the credit here?

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Post by Nathanba »

sensanaty wrote: post #370
jackblemming wrote: post #366

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He’s an anointed tech bro, to fire him and replace him with someone else who will probably do as a fine job is like saying the emperor has no clothes. Notice how in shock everyone was that a CEO was fired the same way us regular peasants are fired everyday.

That's the part that gets me, the same people who would react to news of "13,000 employeess laid off" as a brilliant strategic move are the same ones acting as if Sammy boy getting sacked here is the biggest affront ever committed is shocking to me.

it's probably the main reason why CEOs get paid so much: They aren't just workers anymore, they are public figures with fans and followers that support them beyond their objective work value

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Post by numeri »

deeviant wrote: post #294
thepasswordis wrote: post #123

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>Ego I can absolutely empathize with Ilya here, though. As far as I know the tech making openai function is largely his life’s work. It would be extremely frustrating to have Sam be the face of it, and be given the credit for it. Sam is clearly a very accomplished businessman and networker. Those people are super important, I wish I had a person like him on my team. I’ve had the experience of other people tacitly tak…

I was under the impression that the transformer is the tech making openai function, and that Ilya's name is not on the 2017 paper introducing the idea.

I believe you're underestimating how key RLHF seems to be to getting a functioning chatbot with human-like behaviors.
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