Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

bloomberg.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

361–370 of 596 posts

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#361

Post by sensanaty »

paulddraper wrote: post #343
sensanaty wrote: post #336

Why are people suddenly jacking Altman off so hard? What has this non-technical dude done other than trying to corner the AI market for himself and implementing insane bullshit like worldcoin for him to deserve such weird devotion?

Um...what He's secured the resources and partnerships to grow a $100B company virtually overnight, but he hasn't done anything noteworthy or laudible? HN takes are the best. Humor really is the best medicine.

So the dude with a billion connections managed to use them to get cash for the startup that deals with the most insanely overhyped piece of technology to have ever been created.

No mention of the people actually responsible for any of this? Y'know, the scientists and engineers that actually had to do something to create the crazy technology he's taking credit for, the noteworthy dude is the generic MBA C-suite type that managed to not screw the pooch when given a team of the brightest minds out there?

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#362

Post by TerrifiedMouse »

HPsquared wrote: post #341
TerrifiedMouse wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better to have a small but independent voice that can grow in influence then being shackled by commercial interest and lose your integrity - e.g. How many people actually gives a shit what Google has to say about internet governance?

A LOT of people care about what Google does in that area. What they say is kinda redundant.

And everything Google does is in its self interest or prioritizes its self interest. Altruism falls by the sidelines.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#363

Post by toomuchtodo »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #61
dragonwriter wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one is going to leave Microsoft because of some amateur hour non profit board fuckery that had Microsoft stepping in as the adult. But will they leave Microsoft (or, at least, be less inclined to rely on Microsoft in the future where competitors exsit) because of Microsoft terminating a relationship on which their access to a technology at the core of an enterprise service that enterprise customers rely on is ba…

Microsoft will make the case that those customers should onboard to Microsoft offerings when at parity due to the unreliability of OpenAIs governance. And they won’t be wrong. Enterprise customers don’t want to hear about a critical vendor staging a board coup on Bloomberg, with a bunch of key employees quitting in solidarity, and then reading only a day or two later “on second thought, we were wrong, CEO is coming b…

Citation for example of my thesis:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-20/sam-altma... | https://archive.is/sv8SH ("Bloomberg: The Doomed Mission Behind Sam Altman's Shock Ouster From OpenAI")

> At the same time, companies that depend on OpenAI’s software were hastily looking at competing technologies, such as Meta Plaforms Inc.’s large language model, known as Llama. “As a startup, we are worried now. Do we continue with them or not?” said Amr Awadallah, the CEO of Vectara, which creates chatbots for corporate data.

> He said that the choice to continue with OpenAI or seek out a competitor would depend on reassurances from the company and Microsoft. “We need Microsoft to speak up and say everything is stable, we’ll continue to focus on our customers and partners,” Awadallah said. “We need to hear something like that to restore our confidence.”

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#364

Post by paulddraper »

himaraya wrote: post #251

> With his firing from OpenAI, Altman quickly got the upper hand in terms of public messaging. The board didn’t use a communications or law firm in its dealings, people familiar with the board said, expecting that the OpenAI team would help them. But Altman had loyalty from investors and employees. https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/openai-leadership-hangs-in-balan...

The loyalty was significant. The PR was meh

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#365

Post by mr_toad »

jug wrote: post #122
moralestapia wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, MS leaving is the absolute end of OpenAI (and for all practical purposes the end of Ilya's career). It's Satya's call now, he's not happy and wants @sama back. Next week is going to be interesting!

MS leaving would also be a disaster for subsequent development of Bing, Windows Copilot, Office Copilot, Teams AI, various strategically important Azure service like Semantic Search etc. They’ve gone all in on OpenAI LLM’s, support nothing else and have coupled all their AI to them.

I’d love to know what the amortisation period looks like for an LLM.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#366

Post by jackblemming »

sensanaty wrote: post #336

Why are people suddenly jacking Altman off so hard? What has this non-technical dude done other than trying to corner the AI market for himself and implementing insane bullshit like worldcoin for him to deserve such weird devotion?

He’s an anointed tech bro, to fire him and replace him with someone else who will probably do as a fine job is like saying the emperor has no clothes.

Notice how in shock everyone was that a CEO was fired the same way us regular peasants are fired everyday.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#367

Post by silenced_trope »

himaraya wrote: post #358
s1artibartfast wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is also why dont bring on board members you cant trust. I doubt getting ousted was what Sam, Greg, and Elon had in mind when they picked it.

Elon at least backs Ilya. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1726376406785925566?s=61...

> Ilya has a good moral compass and does not seek power.

At this point that coming from Elon may not be the endorsement you think it is.

Also maybe Elon sees that Ilya is going to be ousted and wants to extend a hand to him before others do.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#368

Post by mym1990 »

sensanaty wrote: post #336

Why are people suddenly jacking Altman off so hard? What has this non-technical dude done other than trying to corner the AI market for himself and implementing insane bullshit like worldcoin for him to deserve such weird devotion?

The fact that you think Altman came around yesterday just shows that you live under a rock. The fact that you think “non-technical” people don’t contribute meaningful value is also worrisome.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#369

Post by TheCondor »

sensanaty wrote: post #336

Why are people suddenly jacking Altman off so hard? What has this non-technical dude done other than trying to corner the AI market for himself and implementing insane bullshit like worldcoin for him to deserve such weird devotion?

Generate a $90B valuation?

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#370

Post by sensanaty »

jackblemming wrote: post #366
sensanaty wrote: post #336

Why are people suddenly jacking Altman off so hard? What has this non-technical dude done other than trying to corner the AI market for himself and implementing insane bullshit like worldcoin for him to deserve such weird devotion?

He’s an anointed tech bro, to fire him and replace him with someone else who will probably do as a fine job is like saying the emperor has no clothes. Notice how in shock everyone was that a CEO was fired the same way us regular peasants are fired everyday.

That's the part that gets me, the same people who would react to news of "13,000 employeess laid off" as a brilliant strategic move are the same ones acting as if Sammy boy getting sacked here is the biggest affront ever committed is shocking to me.
Post reply on HN