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OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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post #197

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This was pretty clearly an attempt by the board to reassert control, which was slowly slipping away as the company became more enmeshed with Microsoft.

Does that mean that the move of the board was actually good for openness of AI ?

Is AI/AGI safety the same as openness?

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was pretty clearly an attempt by the board to reassert control, which was slowly slipping away as the company became more enmeshed with Microsoft.

Does that mean that the move of the board was actually good for openness of AI ?

The board were literally doing their job. Anyone claiming incompetence is just mistaken about the stated goal of openai: safe available agi for all.

Throw in a huge investment, a 90 billion dollar valuation and a rockstar ceo. It’s pretty clear the court of public opinion is wrong about this case.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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The key question in my mind is not who is going to be on the new board, but whether Ilya Sutskever will stay if Altman comes back. I worry that OpenAI without Ilya is not going to produce groundbreaking innovations at the same pace. Hopefully Sam Altman and Ilya Sutskever can patch things up. That's more important than who they add or remove to the board.

I doubt about Ilya's involvement at this point.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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post #211
post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that mean that the move of the board was actually good for openness of AI ?

Is AI/AGI safety the same as openness?

According to OpenAI investment paperwork:

It would be wise to view any investment in OpenAI Global, LLC in the spirit of a donation. The Company exists to advance OpenAl, Inc.'s mission of ensuring that safe artificial general intelligence is developed and benefits all of humanity. The Company's duty to this mission and the principles advanced in the OpenAI, Inc. Charter take precedence over any obligation to generate a profit. The Company may never make a profit, and the Company is under no obligation to do so. The Company is free to re-invest any or all of the Company's cash flow into research and development activities and/or related expenses without any obligation to the Members.

I guess safe artificial general intelligence is developed and benefits all of humanity, means an open AI (hence the name) and safe AI.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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From the article: "...but Microsoft hasn’t decided whether it wants board representation..." This is not a good sign. Microsoft the largest $10Bn investor, who is in the middle of pushing through the restructuring of the company, hasn't decided if they want board representation? The only reason you would do that if they want to keep their options open, in the future, to hit OpenAI hard (legally and/or to raid the per…

Microsoft is looking amateur. Even I the layman can take one look at OpenAI's ridiculously convoluted structure and it's laughably threadbare and ill-equipped board members and know something is wrong. Microsoft should have looked at this and forced them to clean up their act before getting in bed with them. Now they're embroiled in the bush league shenanigans.

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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was pretty clearly an attempt by the board to reassert control, which was slowly slipping away as the company became more enmeshed with Microsoft.

Does that mean that the move of the board was actually good for openness of AI ?

If Microsoft had to put out a statement "its all good we got the source code" clearly the openness of OpenAI was lost a while ago. This move of the board was presumably primarily good for the board.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Purely outside perspective, but people’ve been complaining for quite a while that OpenAI seems to have bailed on their original mission. Sure looks like Altman was capitalism’ing the whole thing—maybe not on purpose, but because it’s just the only way he knows to operate—and had kinda half-sold it to Microsoft, which sure is corroborated by folks posting on here expecting MS to now be in a position to forcibly overri…

Yeah it's interesting to me how many here on HN seem to be taking Sam's side -- I feel like I've noticed HN users in OpenAI threads mentioning how dishonest Sam is. Sam seems to have a "move fast and break things" approach which would be appropriate for a less critical industry

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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that mean that the move of the board was actually good for openness of AI ?

The board were literally doing their job. Anyone claiming incompetence is just mistaken about the stated goal of openai: safe available agi for all. Throw in a huge investment, a 90 billion dollar valuation and a rockstar ceo. It’s pretty clear the court of public opinion is wrong about this case.

they likely could have negotiated it better, but I agree, all these Altman fans really suggest the cult of business sapping any nonprofit motive.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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oh I recognize Taylor, he was on the former Twitter, Inc. board.

Oh man, Bret knows how’s to use the power of the board. He successfully twisted Elon’s arm into buying twitter. If the board is choosing him, sounds like they are going all oracle on microsoft / google again , Java style. If Sam beats Ilya + Bret, I will be even more impressed than I already am. Can’t wait for Matt Levine’s play by play if they hire the same legal team Bret used in the last days of twitter. Or it’ll…

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