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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by DebtDeflation »

kranke155 wrote: post #22
itchy_spider44 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed to see the bigger picture and had a meltdown that other board members took seriously because he's a cofounder. He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.

Is there any way he can even stay if Altman returns? Seems like one of them is out and making their own AI venture soon.

Make him the same offer he made Brockman - you can stay on as an employee but you're off the board.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by dragonwriter »

bilal4hmed wrote: post #11
cedws wrote: post #5

The only power MS has is soft power as a backer. Will that win over the board's actual power? If MS pulls investment it will be a catastrophic blow.

pulling investment would be a hard power. Imagine if Microsoft says the change in leadership and idiotic board means the contract is done, no more compute for openAI and then goes on to back Sam Altmans new company openai will be writing papers and asking for donations within a weeks time at that point as the rest of openAI quits

> pulling investment would be a hard power. Imagine if Microsoft says the change in leadership and idiotic board means the contract is done, no more compute for openAI and then goes on to back Sam Altmans new company

...losing their licenses to OpenAI's technology and thus the Azure OpenAI service offering for which they have enterprise customers who went with them because Microsoft is the secure, enterprise vendor whose reliability they have learned to count on.

Good way to make the "Nobody got fired for hiring Microsoft" that followed the same thing for IBM a thing of the past.

Yeah, with the right people, Sam's company might eventually give Microsoft a technically-adequate replacement technology, but Microsoft's enterprise position isn't founded on technical adequacy alone.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by skwirl »

d_sem wrote: post #4

It's worth knowing the specific reasons why the board fired Sam before assessing the value of this news. Too much rumor and not enough evidence.

It’s pretty clearly just a power play by four of the board members. Keep in mind Sam was part of the board and Greg Brockman was chairman of the board, so this was 4 board members ousting 2 other board members. OpenAI execs have already said it wasn’t for wrongdoing.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by fnordpiglet »

bilal4hmed wrote: post #11
cedws wrote: post #5

The only power MS has is soft power as a backer. Will that win over the board's actual power? If MS pulls investment it will be a catastrophic blow.

pulling investment would be a hard power. Imagine if Microsoft says the change in leadership and idiotic board means the contract is done, no more compute for openAI and then goes on to back Sam Altmans new company openai will be writing papers and asking for donations within a weeks time at that point as the rest of openAI quits

Unless sam Altman is actually GPT4 and is typing like mad at all times I don’t see how this impacts OpenAI in the least. There are plenty of suitors waiting for a chance to back OpenAI and forge such close partnerships. Sam is a talking head, backing his venture is backing vaporware until it’s not. OpenAI is here and now, and even if he churns senior leadership and line people, their advantage is so extreme at the present it’ll be a few years of disruption before anyone has caught up, it’s when that happens it’s more likely to be Claude than some new venture.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by dragonwriter »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #48
dontupvoteme wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.. and MS takes a massive hit financially as they're hardpdroven as an unreliable cloud service.

No one is going to leave Microsoft because of some amateur hour non profit board fuckery that had Microsoft stepping in as the adult. You don’t tell your partner investing billions of dollars of value you’re about to fire a CEO over perspective differences in a very public way, coloring it as malfeasance or dishonesty, and you think someone is ever going to take you seriously again? Anyone with even a basic level of…

> No one is going to leave Microsoft because of some amateur hour non profit board fuckery that had Microsoft stepping in as the adult.

But will they leave Microsoft (or, at least, be less inclined to rely on Microsoft in the future where competitors exsit) because of Microsoft terminating a relationship on which their access to a technology at the core of an enterprise service that enterprise customers rely on is based?

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by breadwinner »

The key question in my mind is not who is going to be on the new board, but whether Ilya Sutskever will stay if Altman comes back. I worry that OpenAI without Ilya is not going to produce groundbreaking innovations at the same pace. Hopefully Sam Altman and Ilya Sutskever can patch things up. That's more important than who they add or remove to the board.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by skwirl »

nostrademons wrote: post #43
d_sem wrote: post #4

It's worth knowing the specific reasons why the board fired Sam before assessing the value of this news. Too much rumor and not enough evidence.

Also its likely that a large number of the news stories coming out right now are PR "plants" by one side or the other to make the firing seem justified or the return a fait accompli. In a coup one of the first tasks is to get public opinion on your side and build momentum for the outcome you want to see. I'm curious where the rank & file OpenAI employees stand on this, as it seems to me like they will be the ultimate…

It indeed did seem like something Ilya would post himself, or at least someone cosplaying as him. Based on what we’ve seen on Twitter from employees it looks like a significant chunk supports Sam.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by smolder »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #49
jessenaser wrote: post #37

Is it so hard to find good people to put on the board? Sam was the CEO OF Y COMBINATOR. Shouldn't he know who is best to put on the board? Find them out? Apparently not? Please say they are not going to put a board just as bad as before. There are no checks and balances. Should Open AI employees be allowed to veto a board decision vote if they have 50% or 67% of the vote? Should Open AI employees be allowed to vote f…

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"The wife of an actor" is an unfair minimization of her value and career, but that seems to have been your goal.
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