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OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by ytoawwhra92 »

jessenaser wrote: post #37

Is it so hard to find good people to put on the board? Sam was the CEO OF Y COMBINATOR. Shouldn't he know who is best to put on the board? Find them out? Apparently not? Please say they are not going to put a board just as bad as before. There are no checks and balances. Should Open AI employees be allowed to veto a board decision vote if they have 50% or 67% of the vote? Should Open AI employees be allowed to vote f…

> Please say they are not going to put a board just as bad as before.

Altman had a massive influence on the makeup of the board that ultimately fired him.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by gizmondo »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #89
bilal4hmed wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

without altman who would want to come in and fund the folks who made this decision ? Fire youre CEO on friday, hire him back on Saturday ?? esp if Altman takes the majority of the folks from money making side

This. The OpenAI board as of now looks incompetent by sacking and then trying to rehire their most public figure in the span of a few days. Lacks determination, confidence and commitment

I don't think the board is trying to rehire him though, more like being pressured to do so against their wishes.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by resource0x »

kromem wrote: post #76
cedws wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI doomers will say this is the beginning of the end.

Not the beginning of the end of humanity. But maybe the beginning of the end of OpenAI. A week ago I was saying that it's likely the leading AI company in 5 years time hasn't been founded yet. After the news Friday and looking more at how Ilya sees the future of neural networks, I actually thought there's a decent chance OpenAI might correct course to continue to lead. If it becomes too productized under a strengthen…

> A week ago I was saying that it's likely the leading AI company in 5 years time hasn't been founded yet.

I bet that in 5 years, we won't be talking about AI at all. Whatever can be squeezed from current technologies, will be squeezed much sooner.

Real AI will eventually be based on totally different principles. Maybe by utilizing the natural intelligence of living organisms (e.g. bacteria).

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by zyang »

mrtksn wrote: post #98
breadwinner wrote: post #57

The key question in my mind is not who is going to be on the new board, but whether Ilya Sutskever will stay if Altman comes back. I worry that OpenAI without Ilya is not going to produce groundbreaking innovations at the same pace. Hopefully Sam Altman and Ilya Sutskever can patch things up. That's more important than who they add or remove to the board.

Currently, it’s very unclear who operates under what motives. How much is it about ego? How much is it about money and how much is it due to intellectual positions? Maybe there’re are no heroes and maybe there’re no antiheroes? With the recent news about other investments and deals, the facade doesn’t seem to even resemble the OpenAI’s reality. I can’t wait to read the autobiography of involved parties.

Musk recruited Ilya from Google to start OpenAI. Musk was ousted by Altman. Now Altman is ousted by Ilya.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by unix_fan »

pyb wrote: post #117
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would I not believe that Meta or Google or anyone really come in or replace Microsoft? You don’t think they’re kicking themselves that Microsoft got the deal?

Or, even more likely, Apple.

They would want a lot of control over the company

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by yumraj »

breadwinner wrote: post #57

The key question in my mind is not who is going to be on the new board, but whether Ilya Sutskever will stay if Altman comes back. I worry that OpenAI without Ilya is not going to produce groundbreaking innovations at the same pace. Hopefully Sam Altman and Ilya Sutskever can patch things up. That's more important than who they add or remove to the board.

It seems somewhat clear that at the end of the day there are two camps, Ilya and Sam.

Sam is backed by investors who are looking for returns, and are not sure if Ilya will get them the same juicy 100X.

So, if Sam comes back, then I’m pretty sure Ilya will go on his own. Whether he will focus on GPT or AGI or ?, is anyone’s guess, as is how many from OpenAI will follow him as everyone loves money.

EDIT: Ilya should have no trouble finding benefactors of his own, whether they are one of the FAANGs or VCs is TBD.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by icelancer »

appplication wrote: post #80
trashtester wrote: post #79

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A rough guess is that Elon will pick up Ilya, with a promise to really aim for safe AGI.

If Ilya’s problem with Sam was that he was acting out on his own and deviating from founding principles, he’s not going to have a good time under Elon.

Ilya has worked for Elon in the past without incident. I doubt it would be a problem.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by fidotron »

shrimpx wrote: post #135
itchy_spider44 wrote: post #16

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Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed to see the bigger picture and had a meltdown that other board members took seriously because he's a cofounder. He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.

> He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business. To push back on this a bit. If two yet unknown people, "an Altman" and "an Ilya", both applied to YC to start a company that builds and sells AI models, guess who would get funded. Not the guy who can't build AI models. I find it bizarre that the guy who can build is suddenly the villain-nerd who can't be trusted, and the salesman is the h…

There has been a huge cultural shift in tech towards devaluing builders and (excessively) emphasising the roles of operations and sales.

In reality you need all of them, and they are all separate talents, but things are clearly unbalanced.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Post by RivieraKid »

someperson wrote: post #152
appplication wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Ilya’s problem with Sam was that he was acting out on his own and deviating from founding principles, he’s not going to have a good time under Elon.

Elon Musk has been very critical of OpenAI's switch from a non-profit focused on AI safety to a for-profit competing with Tesla. It's why he fell out and left OpenAI despite investing $100 million to start it. I'd say he's well aligned with Ilya's position. Early on I wondered if he was an instigator of the entire board coup.

He left because they didn't allow him to be in charge.
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