Altman is more powerful than I thought.
OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#42can't those people just relax? You aren't running some computer club in high school and debate if you should run freebsd or linux
Just give him some seat or what he wants, stop acting like some series like Suits
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#43It's worth knowing the specific reasons why the board fired Sam before assessing the value of this news. Too much rumor and not enough evidence.
Also its likely that a large number of the news stories coming out right now are PR "plants" by one side or the other to make the firing seem justified or the return a fait accompli. In a coup one of the first tasks is to get public opinion on your side and build momentum for the outcome you want to see.
I'm curious where the rank & file OpenAI employees stand on this, as it seems to me like they will be the ultimate kingmakers. The Reddit thread on Friday made it seem like they supported Ilya - but for all we know, the anonymous Reddit poster might have been Ilya himself.
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#45"Bret Taylor, the former co-CEO of Salesforce Inc., will be on the new board, several people said. Another possible addition is an executive from Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft, OpenAI’s largest shareholder — but Microsoft hasn’t decided whether it wants board representation, some people said." hah, Microsoft will be in control from here on out whether they have someone technically on the board or not. They did…
Hard to see how embrace, extend, extinguish fits here. There's no standards-based app ecosystem that depends on some community standard for interplay that they can break by getting market-wide adoption of their proprietary standard. ChatGPT's IO is natural language text prompts/answers. Can MS really create a proprietary extension to natural language, that the world recognizes?
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#46It's worth knowing the specific reasons why the board fired Sam before assessing the value of this news. Too much rumor and not enough evidence.
It seems clear that there weren’t specific reasons, just a kind of final straw in the product announcements that made the board realize how far from the original mission the company had drifted. Turning it into an emergency and surprise coup with innuendo of wrongdoing looks to have been a huge mistake, and may result in total loss of control where a more measured course correction could have succeeded.
Purely outside perspective, but people’ve been complaining for quite a while that OpenAI seems to have bailed on their original mission. Sure looks like Altman was capitalism’ing the whole thing—maybe not on purpose, but because it’s just the only way he knows to operate—and had kinda half-sold it to Microsoft, which sure is corroborated by folks posting on here expecting MS to now be in a position to forcibly override the nonprofit board’s decisions, and by rumors that in fact that’s what’s going on.
Looks like they were right to boot him, but may have done it way too late, having already de facto lost control due to the direction he’d guided the organization. If he comes out on top, it’ll mean the original OpenAI and its mission is dead, looks like to me, and the board was already cut out months ago but didn’t realize it yet.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#47Altman is more powerful than I thought.
It's not Altman per se, it's the hypercapitalism interests that he represents and serves.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
pulling investment would be a hard power. Imagine if Microsoft says the change in leadership and idiotic board means the contract is done, no more compute for openAI and then goes on to back Sam Altmans new company openai will be writing papers and asking for donations within a weeks time at that point as the rest of openAI quits
.. and MS takes a massive hit financially as they're hardpdroven as an unreliable cloud service.
No one is going to leave Microsoft because of some amateur hour non profit board fuckery that had Microsoft stepping in as the adult. You don’t tell your partner investing billions of dollars of value you’re about to fire a CEO over perspective differences in a very public way, coloring it as malfeasance or dishonesty, and you think someone is ever going to take you seriously again?
Anyone with even a basic level of business sense isn’t going to hold Microsoft responsible in a negative light for prudent reactions to volatile partner behaviors. These are not just startup cloud credits being given to OpenAI.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#49Is it so hard to find good people to put on the board? Sam was the CEO OF Y COMBINATOR. Shouldn't he know who is best to put on the board? Find them out? Apparently not? Please say they are not going to put a board just as bad as before. There are no checks and balances. Should Open AI employees be allowed to veto a board decision vote if they have 50% or 67% of the vote? Should Open AI employees be allowed to vote f…
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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#50It's worth knowing the specific reasons why the board fired Sam before assessing the value of this news. Too much rumor and not enough evidence.
Also its likely that a large number of the news stories coming out right now are PR "plants" by one side or the other to make the firing seem justified or the return a fait accompli. In a coup one of the first tasks is to get public opinion on your side and build momentum for the outcome you want to see. I'm curious where the rank & file OpenAI employees stand on this, as it seems to me like they will be the ultimate…
The board lost this whole gambit from the initial press release and never recovered.