So the discussions are definitely happening it seems: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726345564059832609
OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed to see the bigger picture and had a meltdown that other board members took seriously because he's a cofounder. He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.
Is there any way he can even stay if Altman returns? Seems like one of them is out and making their own AI venture soon.
If Steve can make him stay and remain productive, he's a real business genius
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#33The only power MS has is soft power as a backer. Will that win over the board's actual power? If MS pulls investment it will be a catastrophic blow.
Would be a catastrophic blow to MS too.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#34It's worth knowing the specific reasons why the board fired Sam before assessing the value of this news. Too much rumor and not enough evidence.
seems he had a side hustle: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-19/altman-so...
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#35Whole thing is proving what a monumental lie OpenAI is. Was founded by grifters by all available evidence.
OK dude, I might agree with that if it didn’t just nail my revisions to a CMake file in one try.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#36It's worth knowing the specific reasons why the board fired Sam before assessing the value of this news. Too much rumor and not enough evidence.
It seems clear that there weren’t specific reasons, just a kind of final straw in the product announcements that made the board realize how far from the original mission the company had drifted. Turning it into an emergency and surprise coup with innuendo of wrongdoing looks to have been a huge mistake, and may result in total loss of control where a more measured course correction could have succeeded.
Yeah, it looks like Sutskever was too late in realizing how far down the path of “embrace, extend, extinguish” OpenAI had gone and made a last ditch effort to stop it.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#37Is it so hard to find good people to put on the board? Sam was the CEO OF Y COMBINATOR. Shouldn't he know who is best to put on the board? Find them out?
Apparently not?
Please say they are not going to put a board just as bad as before.
There are no checks and balances. Should Open AI employees be allowed to veto a board decision vote if they have 50% or 67% of the vote? Should Open AI employees be allowed to vote for at least some members to be allowed on the board? Like the Senate voting to confirm a Supreme Court Justice?
No matter how good the next board will be, the power rules still apply as before, and the same thing could happen again if no other changes are put in place...
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed to see the bigger picture and had a meltdown that other board members took seriously because he's a cofounder. He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.
Is there any way he can even stay if Altman returns? Seems like one of them is out and making their own AI venture soon.
He could possibly stay in a pure Chief Scientist role while abdicating his board seat. But if I were a CEO, I'd have a hard time trusting a C-level role to someone whose vision is diametrically opposed to my own.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#39The only power MS has is soft power as a backer. Will that win over the board's actual power? If MS pulls investment it will be a catastrophic blow.
That's the choice isn't it. Either reinstall Sam Altman and sack the board, or move the funding to whatever entity he goes and sets up next.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
pulling investment would be a hard power. Imagine if Microsoft says the change in leadership and idiotic board means the contract is done, no more compute for openAI and then goes on to back Sam Altmans new company openai will be writing papers and asking for donations within a weeks time at that point as the rest of openAI quits
In this imaginary hypothesis you don’t think some other giant will fund them?
without altman who would want to come in and fund the folks who made this decision ? Fire youre CEO on friday, hire him back on Saturday ??
esp if Altman takes the majority of the folks from money making side