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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by tremon »

Throwfi44 wrote: post #17
mrkeen wrote: post #4

The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

Try to stay there for a month, in shady part of town! Current goverment is at least trying to police those places!

Can you provide a list of which parts of which towns are shady, so I can avoid them?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by mrkeen »

lm28469 wrote: post #9
mrkeen wrote: post #4

The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

> I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. That's also the life of millions in Ukraine right now so your anecdote doesn't mean much Looking at the statistics and historical trends paint another picture, of course this isn't El Salvador, but it doesn't mean it's going in the right direction

> That's also the life of millions in Ukraine right now so your anecdote doesn't mean much

You're always right to question anecdote, but I call bullshit on the comparison to Ukraine. Crimea was taken. Borders are actively shifting. Nuclear attacks were a serious threat. I half-assedly considered actions I might take if the war spilled over here in some form.

But looking at the article's scary graph: the badness has a bit-over-doubled between 2014-2022. So if you were hanging out with 6 of your friends in 2014 and concerned that one of you was going to be gunned down in the next year, you should have around that same level of concern when hanging out with 2-3 of your friends in 2022.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by slaw »

romafirst3 wrote: post #10

While this does indeed sound like a problem for Sweden and something they will have to fix, it's worth pointing out that by my calculation the US fatal assault by fire arm rate is 12X the rate that is causing a crisis in Sweden.

Could you share your calculation? Did you include suicides that are 2/3 of gun deaths in the US?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by slaw »

archsurface wrote: post #24
TecoAndJix wrote: post #3

https://archive.is/Le71e

Is anyone else unable to get through this capture page? Every time it comes up I end up doing countless captures, clicking not a robot, round and round, never get through.

The same here. Endless CAPTCHA loop.

Edit: Turning off Cloudflare DNS in Firefox helped.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

xcv123 wrote: post #18
pessimizer wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying "unrelated" is begging the question. According to you, the "right" is claiming recent immigration is related to the "violent gang crisis" mentioned, and the "left" is instead claiming that the privatization of the welfare system is related to said crisis.

Their argument is that the left wing side are responsible, and are incorrectly blaming social factors other than the mass immigration of third world refugees who are now creating a gang ridden hellscape in parts of Sweden, emulating their original homelands. That is not begging the question.

It is if you don't demonstrate the connection/causality.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by Throwfi44 »

tremon wrote: post #21
Throwfi44 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to stay there for a month, in shady part of town! Current goverment is at least trying to police those places!

Can you provide a list of which parts of which towns are shady, so I can avoid them?

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/three-new-districts-added-t...

I would stay there, I travel on budget, I am used to it from Cairo, and I am not female...

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by mrkeen »

tremon wrote: post #21
Throwfi44 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to stay there for a month, in shady part of town! Current goverment is at least trying to police those places!

Can you provide a list of which parts of which towns are shady, so I can avoid them?

I moved - sorry, immigrated - to Stockholm end of 2016.

At that time the sensationalist media was reporting on 'no-go zones' - parts of town that even the police were too afraid to go to.

One night I was sitting on the subway when a guy came and sat down opposite a girl, and started telling her he was gonna go check out one of these 'no-go zones'. His destination was östermalm.

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